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this

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is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies as usual i am your host

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ryan sprague and i am so excited today

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this is an interview

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that i have been waiting to do for a

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very

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about this revolutionary

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new project that is headed by

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one of my favorite people in the

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quote-unquote ufo community

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enemy of ufo twitter and just one of the

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coolest guys

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i know working on this brand new ufo

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tracking device

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and we're gonna talk all about how it

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works um how

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you can get involved with this and

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everything else going on with ufos in

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2021 so without further ado

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here is the host of the mad scientist

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podcast

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and on the advisory board the head of

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the advisory board

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for sky hub dr chris cogswell

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chris how's it going my man good man

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it's going really well how are you doing

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i am good uh i have mentioned on the

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last episode i was able to

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escape new york and i'm i'm here on the

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island of oahu for the umpteenth time

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i'm starting to think people probably

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think i'm like in the witness protection

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program because i'm

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escaping to these remote places so often

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but um

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no things are good for me brother how

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about you

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things are going well you know i am

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yeah i haven't escaped anywhere as nice

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as oahu but

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i occasionally make my escape up to new

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hampshire still in the mountains so

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over anything like i'm not a beach guy

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i'm not a swimmer so like yeah it's

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great it's hawaii and i feel very

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fortunate but

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i'm not like one of these people who's

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like let's go let's go

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i like doing this stuff all the time so

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sure yeah

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no i totally feel you man yeah napping

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under a tree

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in the middle of the autumn it's nice

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and crisp outside you can't beat it and

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full of bugs

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yeah but whatever it's fine exactly your

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pumpkin spice lattes tipped over

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and um someone stole your wallet yep

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you just gotta love it love it brother

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awesome well i know we could talk

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weather and locations for a while but um

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that's not why you're here

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we're here to talk about sky hub which

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amazing but before we get to what it is

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how it works how you're involved

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i want to kind of catch them up to uh

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who you are what you do how you got

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that we've all found ourselves in and

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give us uh the origin story if you don't

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sure so i was bitten by a radioactive

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uh at the age of ten no um so

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my family is definitely one who

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my family tends to be one that believes

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non-scientific things at times and

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belief systems but at the same time my

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family was very grounded

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in the sciences and history and

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philosophy and so you know

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my at our at family kind of gatherings

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ufos or whatever so my family was very

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family is made up of immigrants

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to go into something technical and

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learn and everything else

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why people who are you know intelligent

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fall for people who are trying to take

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advantage of them whether it's people

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to you know talk to the dead dead

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relative or something or

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even the ufo subject right why does

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someone pay thousands of dollars to go

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cruise or something

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you have this group of people this large

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group of people who are making claims

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just discounts their their stories out

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stories sort of out of hand

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and i always thought that was really

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unfair because you know the people who

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have these sightings

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it's not just you know crackpots or

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people who are

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uh you know drunks or whatever and they

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come home and they're like i was

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abducted right like that's not what

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um it's pilots it's it's

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teachers it's lawyers it's mothers and

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fathers and grandmothers and

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grandfathers and

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you know people from all walks of life

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something is happening to them

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in many cases something very traumatic

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you know they have real uh real negative

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things happen to them i mean we've

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people come forward and tell their

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stories and

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never met

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say what the what actually happened to

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that person but that's more than just

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someone making up something for

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attention that that doesn't

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fly with me that doesn't make sense so

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uh the mad scientist podcast on sort of

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this question of the philosophy and

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history of science and

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why do people believe these things and

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is there anything to them and you know

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all those sorts of things

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and a listener actually reached out and

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basically said you know

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basically said something like you know

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you're so smart why don't you get

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right like i'm making all these claims

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i could i bet i could figure this out in

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a week and you know

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stupid stuff you say on the internet and

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um and then after talking it through

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in the science world in the academic

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know if you think if you think that

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that's a route forward

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to talk to these people and understand

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them and you know work with people

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who've had these experiences then you

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should do it because it's a good

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research work and and everything else in

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mufon for a little while which didn't

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turn out so well

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because mufon just like refuses to learn

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um you know and uh just keeps making bad

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decisions but anyways we could go into

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i know you know but suffice it to say

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that i've i've tried to

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be involved in this in a way that lets

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obviously retain my own credibility

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because i have i need to you know i have

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a day job i want to continue working in

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the sciences and

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able to do sort of outreach and

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engagement with people who

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have had these experiences who believe

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these things and

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try to get to some sense of what is

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i i am a very critical voice in the ufo

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generally and so because of that i

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have uh less friends

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than than others do in the community

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um but i think that the people and the

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groups that i have worked with and we've

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you know it's really easy to be on

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twitter and say

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this is all just people making this up

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but again you know the thing i always

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come back to is if it's

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all made up that's much scarier than if

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if it's all made up that means that

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there is you know that that means that

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politics today worldwide with conspiracy

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theories and anti-vaccination

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feelings and everything else but it's a

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lesson that you know it's something that

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people in the ufo world have sort of

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been yelling about

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for for decades i'm not the first

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researcher to say that hey

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if you can understand why a ufo grifter

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is able to make money off of their um

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their

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you know desert getaway packages

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then um then you can understand

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how propaganda spreads

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in a community and so that's sort of i

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guess

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you know so that's how i got to before

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skyhub

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really

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skyhub initially was another

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was an idea for something like sky hub

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has been sort of floating around the ufo

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community

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for a while and actually products are

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not really products but

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um tools like sky hub have actually been

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something that was of interest for

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the military and you know astronomers

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and

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governmental groups for a very long time

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actually since basically the launch of

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sputnik

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the idea of tracking and understanding

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what's in the skies above us has been of

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great interest

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um public groups that have done this

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include like

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cams via seti or other kind of meteor

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projects or

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you know what even weather stations in

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some way or a type of sky hub

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or a type of you know sky

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surveillance recognition platform but

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the problem with those previous methods

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have been that they're all very

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large and bulky and costly and

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everything else

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um and my sky hub is this big

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this is my sky it's crazy it connects

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connects to a camera um i just plug it

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in

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that's my skyhub so you know the the

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increases in technology and computing

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power

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and the shrinking of electronic hardware

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has gotten to the point now that what

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before we had to do with like an

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entire you know um like a weather truck

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right you can do with a raspberry pi or

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a jetson

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um and some software so

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it's that's really what was what was

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intriguing to me about the skyhawk

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project when the team originally

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approached me was

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you've heard about all these other

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projects you obviously this has been out

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there for a long time

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we can do it for cheaper um smaller

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and we will do it in a way that is

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completely transparent to the public

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and that to me was very very um that was

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the thing that was really the hook that

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got me involved

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and made me want to maybe want to take

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part in the project

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so um yeah well let me let me um

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let's rewind just a little bit chris if

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you don't mind brother um

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and that's a really good point i do want

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to talk to you about the transparency

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uh that you guys are doing over at

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skyhub but um could you give us kind of

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i guess the origin of of skyhub before

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you were approached

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um who created this who's involved

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and yeah maybe kind of walk us through

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what skyhub is if you don't mind i know

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that's a lot to ask but um

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yeah maybe give us the origin of how it

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came to be

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why you thought this was something you

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wanted to put your name on

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and yeah maybe a little about the

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process of what skyhub is

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absolutely yeah so there are um so okay

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so to start with

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skyhub skyhub really started as a

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effort by a group of developers so

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software developers

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um who wanted to build

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a who wanted to build a unit

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that could capture evidence

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of objects in the sky above us

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using techniques and tools that would be

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beyond

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a question so using machine learning and

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artificial intelligence to

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automatically capture and categorize

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objects

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the initial idea really came from um

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steve mcdaniel corey gaspard and adam

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allen

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and actually initially they were on a

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team with um

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they were on a team with dr bob mcguire

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that team sort of

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um that team didn't work out and so then

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steve corey and adam

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um kind of continued the software

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development on their own

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and then from there um we've

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we sort of built sky hub and so i think

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i was the

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i think the next person to join the team

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was probably richard hopf

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who is our hardware design and

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fabrication specialist and i think it

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was me

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and then um david moore who's our audio

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engineering and science kind of science

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communications specialist

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um we now have other members of the team

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as well paul wright and justin phillips

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we have over 200 people in our our

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discord

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who currently participate and you know

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help us develop and

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answer questions and things like that

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but so the basic idea though or the

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basic

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we build a a system that is easy to

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assemble

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relatively cheap to produce and build

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and we provide the software to run it

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free of charge to the public

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the public then puts the thing together

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they buy the stuff from other places

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they put it together themselves based on

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instructions we give them

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and then they deploy them out in their

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backyards and on their roofs and

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and wherever and the software what it

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does

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is as an object comes into frame above

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the camera

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it automatically turns on starts

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recording the video

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and then on the back end a system

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using artificial intelligence tells

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or sort of picks out from those images

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what is a bird what is an airplane what

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is it insect

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and then ultimately what's left behind

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would be the unknowns

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that's okay so that was kind of my my

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next question for you is once

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the um you know the recording starts and

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you start getting that data in

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how exactly does the machine learning

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play into uh differentiating these

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objects so is it like okay we we have

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five different sky hubs out there

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monitoring

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um whatever let's say a cessna plane

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that

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goes by does the machine then know all

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right these are the properties of the

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cessna

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according to our sort of observational

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um

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look at it and keep you know is it okay

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now we have

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all of these are cessnas all of these

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are meteors all of these are blah blah

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and then the true unknown how does that

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all work so just okay so just to start

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just to begin with yeah artificial

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intelligence and machine learning are

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buzz words that are used all over the

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place to see way more complicated than

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they are

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um your your technically any system

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where a sensor measures

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a set point and then tells a computer to

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change something to get back to the set

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point

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is doing artificial intelligence okay

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right so a thermometer so in your house

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right now you have a thermometer

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or a thermostat that measures the

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temperature in the rooms

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of your home and you can set the

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temperature to be at like 60 degrees 65

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degrees

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if you're a weirdo might like me you set

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it at 60 degrees

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and then you wouldn't meet your brother

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right yes that's if you're like me you

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do that and then your wife is wearing a

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blanket

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um i know that feeling well

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that's that's one or the other right so

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but um

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that system that system is a very very

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simple version of artificial

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intelligence

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because what it's doing is it is taking

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a measurement

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and then changing something making

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something happen

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to get to a certain set point or a

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certain value

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so in many ways like like control

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systems control schemes

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sensors those sorts of things with like

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control systems

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um are a very simple version of

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artificial intelligence

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is more

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complicated but it's still basically

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just

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we give it a list of say 20 to 30

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um set points that we say okay

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if you if you measure these things it's

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an airplane

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if you measure these things it's a

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meteor if you measure these things

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it's a bird or an insect or whatever

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so that's basically how the artificial

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intelligence works the set points are

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the things that we're actually looking

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at

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our um motion

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so in other words an airplane if you're

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thinking about

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the the camera itself is looking up at

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the sky

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if you think about an airplane as it

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travels across the frame of the

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of the vision of the camera the airplane

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will maybe it starts you know it starts

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coming in here

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and then it'll fly at a very set

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path that it takes a straight line path

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usually

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whereas if we think about something like

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you know

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uh elizondo's five observables let's say

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um one of them is like non-ballistic

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motion right so the object bounces all

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over the place

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we can do things with the video so

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the first step is making the camera

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recognize that an object

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um is coming into frame then all we do

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is we measure

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how the object moves across the video so

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every frame

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where it moves from that we can get

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things like its speed its acceleration

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its direction we can tell how straight

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the path is so is the path tortuous or

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not

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um we can tell all kinds of other things

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like that and then we have other sensors

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too

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that can tell us you know this is an

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airplane this is a whatever

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all the artificial intelligence is doing

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is if it sees a certain number of those

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things

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that fit within say the bucket of

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airplane

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kind of make sense in that

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in that case ryan oh yeah totally

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because i think again

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it's all about differentiating these

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objects that's that's the

574
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point of this until you get to the true

575
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,280
unknown

576
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:23,200
that's always the bottom and the least

577
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,400
likely exactly

578
00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:26,320
now the way the way that the machine

579
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:27,600
learning works

580
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,600
is if you can give a computer

581
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:34,320
instructions to say okay i want you to

582
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:35,760
measure

583
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,880
a thousand videos of an object

584
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,799
i'm telling you that these objects are

585
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:42,000
airplanes

586
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:43,280
right so i have to know that there are

587
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,640
airplanes beforehand i have to tell the

588
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,159
computer it's an airplane

589
00:21:49,750 --> 00:21:48,159
right and then what the computer does is

590
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:49,760
it measures those

591
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:51,120
metrics again that we tell it to measure

592
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:52,880
for speed acceleration

593
00:21:57,750 --> 00:21:55,679
tortuosity um displacement vector

594
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,760
whatever those other things

595
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,440
we tell the machine to measure those

596
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,240
things and then at the end of it

597
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,960
it essentially says okay well based on

598
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:07,520
the thousand measurements i've now taken

599
00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,640
of a airplane this is what the airplane

600
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:12,320
profile looks like

601
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,400
so airplanes have a velocity between

602
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,919
this value and this value

603
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:18,159
and most of them are here and so within

604
00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:19,200
95

605
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,120
confidence i can say that if you have a

606
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,799
velocity of this

607
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:24,559
you're an airplane that's a very simple

608
00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,840
example we're not going to do it just

609
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,679
based off velocity

610
00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:30,159
but the so that's the way the machine

611
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,080
learning works it's really it's

612
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:34,159
instead of us giving the computer the

613
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:35,360
set point

614
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:38,960
right we let the computer determine

615
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,600
what the most likely set point is for a

616
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,640
set of data

617
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,640
that's that's that's so cool yeah so you

618
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:47,360
know imagine imagine you know elon musk

619
00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:50,480
um elon musk gets you know whatever

620
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,679
it's a hundred years from now and elon

621
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:53,039
musk has turned us all into robots and

622
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:54,400
we have microchips in our brains or

623
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:55,360
whatever

624
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,840
um imagine if your thermostat was able

625
00:23:03,029 --> 00:22:59,280
to measure

626
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,039
how comfortable you were right

627
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,880
right basically you would be telling it

628
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:06,159
okay well i want you to measure for

629
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:06,880
things like

630
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,640
is the person perspire you know are they

631
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,480
sweating are they

632
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,559
breathing heavy are they red in the face

633
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:14,240
are they whatever

634
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,919
or measuring your internal temperature

635
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:17,440
maybe

636
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:20,080
and then changing the thermostat to fit

637
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,799
to where your

638
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,480
internal temperature hits the right set

639
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:25,120
point so machine learning is basically

640
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,080
just again it's just another kind of

641
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,840
fancy way of saying

642
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:32,000
instead of it being a person or like

643
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,080
interns for us or whatever

644
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:37,039
getting all that data ourselves um by

645
00:23:41,350 --> 00:23:38,640
doing pen and paper math

646
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:41,360
we let a computer do it that's all it is

647
00:23:46,630 --> 00:23:42,159
and so over

648
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,640
and so yeah so over time then um

649
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:48,880
and so in that way then you basically

650
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,760
can

651
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:52,080
if your system is good enough um

652
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:53,440
ultimately the goal would be that we

653
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:54,240
would be able to

654
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,440
find the easiest cheapest and by cheap i

655
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:59,120
mean cheap computationally not

656
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,039
necessarily cheap economically

657
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:03,760
but like you know the most uh the most

658
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:06,240
accurate measurement we can do

659
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:08,720
with this with the smallest number of

660
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:11,360
sort of cycles of math we have to do

661
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:13,279
to tell this is a bird this is a plane

662
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:14,880
this is a whatever

663
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:18,159
yeah expediting the process yeah right

664
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:18,799
and so

665
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,799
and that's really where that's where

666
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:22,400
kind of continuous machine learning

667
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:22,960
comes in

668
00:24:29,190 --> 00:24:27,039
where um after a while

669
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:29,200
like right now let's say we have a data

670
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,720
set with

671
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,720
i don't know ten thousand videos of

672
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:34,240
airplanes right and that

673
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,679
that's just a random number i don't stop

674
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,120
picking a random number i don't know how

675
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:41,120
many you know i don't know whatever but

676
00:24:44,830 --> 00:24:42,720
let's say we get that data set of ten

677
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:44,840
thousand um

678
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,520
eventually with a complicated enough

679
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:49,039
system

680
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,880
you can find other data points that like

681
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:55,440
so for example airplanes have airplanes

682
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,200
all give off a signal

683
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,880
telling other airplanes or air traffic

684
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,880
controllers hey we're an airplane we're

685
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:02,640
in the area

686
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,559
that is like a 100 it's an airplane

687
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,400
right that's that's a definite signal

688
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:09,919
that it's an airplane

689
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,159
so we could train our models to say if

690
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:15,360
you get that signal

691
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:16,799
whatever you're viewing as an airplane

692
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,640
and then train it based on that

693
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,240
right that's one way to say do kind of

694
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:22,000
continuous machine learning again

695
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:23,919
where you don't need to be inputting all

696
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,039
the time

697
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,080
videos of airplanes but yeah yeah

698
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:30,080
and so it gets more and more complicated

699
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:31,279
yeah right

700
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,640
what i think and you stress this um

701
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:37,919
quite well is that the public and those

702
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,039
involved and those using the program

703
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:44,400
are literally helping to

704
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:47,840
evolve the algorithms evolving with sky

705
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,480
hub

706
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:50,960
um i saw in an interview where i believe

707
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:51,840
you said

708
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:56,480
you know this this software this uh

709
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:59,279
this device this technology is

710
00:26:02,230 --> 00:26:01,360
constantly evolving so it's not like

711
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:02,240
skyhub

712
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:05,360
is just developed built in

713
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:08,720
game over like it's done this is this is

714
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:09,520
cool because

715
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:12,320
it is constantly in motion and learning

716
00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:13,440
and growing

717
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,640
and um helping us to figure out what the

718
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:18,240
hell these phenomena are

719
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:21,279
and you know i've been sent

720
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,840
several skyhub videos by people who have

721
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:27,679
you know purchased what they needed to

722
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,880
create skyhub

723
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:31,679
and um get the data out into the cloud

724
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:32,080
and

725
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:35,360
uh some of them dude have been really

726
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:37,120
compelling i mean there was one i

727
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,880
recently saw of what we

728
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,600
thought might have been a plane and then

729
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,919
totally made a 90 degree turn out of

730
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,720
nowhere

731
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,400
and took off so again you're talking

732
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:48,720
about kind of those observables that the

733
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,080
pentagon looked at

734
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,320
um so i guess my next question for you

735
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,840
would be

736
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,760
what are some of the stuff you guys have

737
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:57,360
come across i mean yeah of course

738
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,159
meteors

739
00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,000
probably starlink satellites are one of

740
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,440
the big ones but um

741
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,679
any really intriguing ones that have

742
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:05,039
kind of left you guys

743
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,960
over at sky hub scratching your head so

744
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:09,760
far i honestly i think one of the

745
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,120
coolest things about this project so far

746
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,480
has been just how

747
00:27:19,590 --> 00:27:18,480
just how unexpected the results have

748
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,600
been

749
00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:21,679
you know if you if you thought to

750
00:27:25,350 --> 00:27:23,200
yourself

751
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,360
okay i'll put a camera outside my my

752
00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:28,240
house it's pointed up in the sky

753
00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:30,240
and i'm gonna measure you know i'm just

754
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,679
gonna i'm gonna see airplanes probably

755
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:33,360
i'll see birds i'll see airplanes

756
00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:37,039
i'll see some insects you know whatever

757
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:39,840
there is stuff in the sky all the time

758
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,240
that

759
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,840
think were

760
00:27:48,149 --> 00:27:46,000
were in the sky above my house or you

761
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,159
know so for example um

762
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:51,120
i think maybe one of my favorite ones is

763
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:51,760
one of the

764
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,080
units is is out in um

765
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:58,320
is out in the united kingdom just give

766
00:28:03,190 --> 00:27:59,360
it that that's as

767
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:03,200
as close to locale as i want to give um

768
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,240
and so the unit is there and it's in

769
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,760
someone's garden

770
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:10,080
and they captured somebody's uh they

771
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:12,960
captured somebody paragliding

772
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:16,720
over like a residential in neighborhood

773
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,840
you know there's a there's someone

774
00:28:23,029 --> 00:28:20,559
paragliding and

775
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:23,039
if you had asked them at the beginning

776
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,559
of this you know

777
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:26,159
what do you think you're gonna capture

778
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:27,440
what do you think you're most likely to

779
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:29,360
capture here

780
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,559
i don't think in a million years they

781
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,520
would have said they would capture

782
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:33,919
paraglider

783
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,679
right like there's just no you know

784
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:37,360
there's no way you would think

785
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,720
oh yeah paraglider there's definitely

786
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:40,159
paragliding going on here unless you

787
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:40,559
know

788
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,799
that it's happening you have no idea

789
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:44,320
right so that's been really

790
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,840
one interesting one another really

791
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,120
interesting one i think and you

792
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,200
highlighted it here too

793
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:52,080
we've captured we've captured a video of

794
00:28:55,990 --> 00:28:53,200
what are

795
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,000
potentially drones i mean you know the

796
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,600
we don't know what these objects are yet

797
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,720
that we're capturing

798
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,480
all the time i mean a paraglider is easy

799
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,159
because it's like there's a guy

800
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,000
you know what i mean like it's you know

801
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,679
unless it's like batman it's it's a

802
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,640
goddess

803
00:29:11,190 --> 00:29:09,679
or whatever but

804
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,200
some of the you know most of the objects

805
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:13,120
we capture

806
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,960
are going to be points of light in the

807
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:16,960
sky you know they're going to be dots of

808
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,520
light

809
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:19,840
and so for those ones that's really

810
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:22,159
where a good analysis of the motion of

811
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:22,880
them is what's

812
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,279
important but we've we've captured some

813
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,120
though that are

814
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:28,960
you know that it appears that the object

815
00:29:33,669 --> 00:29:30,720
comes very quickly in a frame

816
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,679
it goes down straight then stops will

817
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:35,840
sit there for a couple of seconds

818
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,720
and then takes off at another angle it

819
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:40,240
just shoots off

820
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:43,360
we've had a couple of those now and

821
00:29:46,389 --> 00:29:44,799
you know my best guess would be that

822
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,399
they're drones

823
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,399
um but even then that's kind of

824
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,200
interesting if they're drones like what

825
00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:53,279
you know what's going on right like

826
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,880
who's flying a drone like that at

827
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,919
nighttime and

828
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,000
kind of an interesting one another

829
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:00,720
interesting one that we've captured

830
00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,240
one of the units is in a a fairly i

831
00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,840
would say remote location

832
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:09,600
and it keeps it it captures a lot of

833
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,360
military aircraft because it's near an

834
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:13,039
air it's near an airport base or an air

835
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:14,799
in air

836
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,399
airport base it's near a uh you know um

837
00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:21,039
it's near an air force there's something

838
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,640
military base

839
00:30:26,070 --> 00:30:23,760
that one's captured some really

840
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,080
interesting ones you know military plans

841
00:30:31,510 --> 00:30:28,159
flying low and stuff like that

842
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,520
but also has captured um

843
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:33,279
also has captured like what appears to

844
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,520
be an object sort of breaking apart

845
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,080
maybe in re-entry or something i'm not

846
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,600
really sure what it is

847
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:41,039
it looks like it might be some kind of

848
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:42,399
weather balloon or something and i know

849
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:43,679
that's cliche to say to

850
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:46,080
you know ufo it's a weather balloon

851
00:30:48,830 --> 00:30:47,520
right we're capturing a lot of swamp gas

852
00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:48,840
ryan

853
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,149
our machine learning module just as one

854
00:31:02,789 --> 00:31:00,000
option swap gas

855
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,799
um the object it appears like it's

856
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:04,559
tethered to something else and the thing

857
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:06,080
that it's tethered to

858
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,519
looks like it's kind of floating or

859
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,360
lighter you know but it looks like it's

860
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:10,880
kind of metallic and you know it's it's

861
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:11,120
an

862
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,720
video so

863
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,159
you know i think just overall we've

864
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:19,039
captured just stuff you wouldn't expect

865
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,559
and you know the number of like shooting

866
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,919
stars

867
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:24,240
um you know the international space

868
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:26,960
station flybys we've captured like

869
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:30,320
you know it's just again because

870
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:32,320
we're still in very early stages for

871
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:34,240
this and that's one thing we try to make

872
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,399
clear to anybody you know people

873
00:31:39,669 --> 00:31:38,000
people all the time will come into our

874
00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:39,679
chat or on our website or whatever send

875
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,960
us emails and say

876
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:42,320
hey you know we want to give you the

877
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,200
money to to get a skyhub

878
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:46,799
and our answer i think which is probably

879
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,399
frustrating for most people is

880
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,720
wait a second before you build a skyhub

881
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:54,320
we need to tell you all these

882
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:57,120
things like we basically tell people a

883
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,880
list of reasons why they shouldn't build

884
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,760
one yet

885
00:32:03,590 --> 00:32:01,519
you know we're like we're like it's hard

886
00:32:05,669 --> 00:32:03,600
to do there's a lot of troubleshooting

887
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,679
we're still making the software

888
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,159
we haven't really settled yet on you

889
00:32:11,590 --> 00:32:09,600
know the cameras and like

890
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,600
you know just because it's early stages

891
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,799
right i mean

892
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:15,919
if you were um

893
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:19,200
if you were designing a

894
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:23,360
engineered product um you wouldn't start

895
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:24,320
selling it

896
00:32:27,350 --> 00:32:26,799
before it was ready right you know so

897
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,360
we're

898
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,279
but i think for a lot of ufo people or

899
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:30,880
people that are interested in this

900
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,600
that's something that's a little bit out

901
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,440
of the ordinary for the field

902
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,679
because usually people will start hyping

903
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,600
things

904
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,600
before you know someone will think like

905
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:43,120
wouldn't it be great to have a machine

906
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:43,600
learning

907
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:46,080
method to capture your foes and then

908
00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:46,799
they will hype

909
00:32:51,029 --> 00:32:49,519
the hell out of it and they're on their

910
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:51,039
own podcast said you know we're gonna do

911
00:32:54,549 --> 00:32:52,320
this and all this other stuff

912
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,559
and like it's a lot of work it's a lot

913
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,080
of effort and it's really hard

914
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,559
and so before we start doing that we

915
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,159
want to make sure people

916
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:02,799
understand that if they are building one

917
00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:04,159
if they're going to buy the parts that

918
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,039
they're going to

919
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,840
um help us with this they are they're

920
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,480
developing with us they're helping us

921
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,039
and just like any other kind of hobby

922
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:14,960
where you're trying to work with a group

923
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:16,399
of people to build something

924
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:19,840
it might not work you know um

925
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,600
i mean we've had promising results but

926
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,519
you know

927
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,640
not ready to be sold in target or

928
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:27,919
whatever we're never going to be sold at

929
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:28,480
target

930
00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,679
frankly we're not trying to sell

931
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:31,440
anything you know so it's just a

932
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:32,240
different

933
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,120
we we view ourselves as a

934
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,240
we view ourselves as a open science

935
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,880
or citizen science project and so what

936
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,640
that means is

937
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:48,320
just like if you were part of a bird

938
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,919
watching group in your local community

939
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:53,919
you would be going to you know going to

940
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:55,840
going on on hikes maybe with other

941
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:56,399
people

942
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,000
and chatting with them online and

943
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:00,799
sharing photos and videos and whatever

944
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:02,799
that's you know it's similar what we're

945
00:34:05,590 --> 00:34:04,480
doing here we're not we don't charge

946
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,600
people money

947
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:07,840
to be part of our discord or to chat

948
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,040
with us or

949
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:11,919
we don't even sell like sky hubs we

950
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:13,440
don't we don't sell anything

951
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,440
um people now can can purchase an

952
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:20,480
enclosure that was designed um for us by

953
00:34:23,669 --> 00:34:21,520
one of our

954
00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,679
you know our hardware designer but

955
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:25,520
that's that's mostly a donation to the

956
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,000
group

957
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,159
you know we're so we try to make it

958
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:29,760
clear like if you're gonna

959
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,480
come in and build these things um it's

960
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:33,839
gonna be a lot of work and it's not

961
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,079
necessarily the easiest right now

962
00:34:40,550 --> 00:34:38,320
um but that's just what designing

963
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:40,560
something like this takes

964
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,679
yeah and you know i've i've seen several

965
00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:45,200
individuals who have

966
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:47,760
you know taken that initiative built the

967
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:49,919
entire thing from scratch themselves

968
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:52,399
throw it on like their humvees and and

969
00:34:56,069 --> 00:34:54,240
drive it all out in the desert which is

970
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,079
so cool man how remote

971
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:58,560
this has become which i think like you

972
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:01,359
you showing your own skyhub there is um

973
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:04,000
things have changed drastically in terms

974
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:04,480
of

975
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:07,599
how accessible these things can be

976
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,040
but because you said you're in the

977
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:10,800
initial stages still

978
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:13,520
a lot of it rides on the individuals who

979
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:13,920
are

980
00:35:21,750 --> 00:35:18,079
open source

981
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:21,760
data is another big thing very positive

982
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:22,400
thing

983
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:26,720
i think um to we're so used to like

984
00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:30,320
whatever mufon or nasa or the government

985
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,839
being so cagey

986
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,160
when it comes to sharing things they've

987
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,480
seen or experienced when it comes to

988
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,680
unknowns and um i think that's awesome

989
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,640
that you guys are

990
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,800
putting that out to the public my

991
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:44,800
question would be um and i know again

992
00:35:47,670 --> 00:35:45,920
this is very

993
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:47,680
very early in the stages of what you

994
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,160
guys are doing um

995
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:53,520
could military or government

996
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:56,880
programs or um you know

997
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:00,480
agencies could they use the software

998
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:03,599
and kind of the setup of skyhub and

999
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:06,800
uh privatize that data and information

1000
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:10,079
um you know like we have the open source

1001
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,480
thing

1002
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,480
which is awesome everyone can be a part

1003
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:14,400
of it and talk about what they think it

1004
00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:15,200
might be

1005
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,440
but is there a chance that your

1006
00:36:21,589 --> 00:36:19,599
technology or what you guys have created

1007
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,599
could be used like you said in the

1008
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,839
military or whatnot and we never see any

1009
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,359
of that data

1010
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:31,670
so first off all of the skyhub software

1011
00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:33,760
is available to download online for free

1012
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:34,800
right now

1013
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:37,839
okay so um

1014
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:41,359
if people want to if say some group

1015
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:43,440
forget the military even if

1016
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,440
if some group decided they wanted to

1017
00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:47,760
build a private

1018
00:36:52,790 --> 00:36:50,960
sky hub software right so right now the

1019
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:52,800
way that the code works

1020
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:56,079
is it goes to a public uh it goes to a

1021
00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:57,520
database

1022
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,720
that um you know again we're still early

1023
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:02,720
on so there's not data to share yet

1024
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:04,079
really i mean we have videos and stuff

1025
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,520
we put them on youtube but

1026
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:07,440
in terms of actual kind of data we're

1027
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,880
working on getting that pipeline sort of

1028
00:37:11,349 --> 00:37:10,000
moving

1029
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:11,359
privatizing it in a way that it's

1030
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,560
available for the public and all those

1031
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,640
other things

1032
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,480
someone could in theory i guess go on

1033
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,160
and change the software

1034
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:19,760
so that it goes to a private server

1035
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:21,280
instead and

1036
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:23,280
you know us at sky hub have no control

1037
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,720
over that data and whatever

1038
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,720
and so then it just it just goes out

1039
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:28,480
there um

1040
00:37:31,589 --> 00:37:30,560
someone could do that if they wanted to

1041
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:31,599
you know we're

1042
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:34,720
it's part of the danger of making a

1043
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:37,359
open source kind of citizen science like

1044
00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:38,480
project

1045
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,560
um is if a company wanted to they could

1046
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,920
you know they could do something like a

1047
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,560
skyhub or something

1048
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,040
but because we've done it and it's

1049
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:51,040
available on the internet already for

1050
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:51,920
free

1051
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,560
and so the code itself that kind of

1052
00:37:59,510 --> 00:37:56,880
builds it and underpins everything

1053
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:59,520
is available for free to the public

1054
00:38:02,470 --> 00:38:00,640
although some small

1055
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,480
section of the data might never get to

1056
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:05,680
the public the bulk of the data would

1057
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:15,430
i think about it like a camera right um

1058
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,680
camera is kind of a bad example i guess

1059
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,240
i guess what i'm saying is if the if

1060
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:24,160
someone wanted to buy a skyhub and keep

1061
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,400
it not connected to the internet

1062
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:28,000
um they could also kind of keep that

1063
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:29,599
data of themselves it wouldn't work at

1064
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:30,400
this point

1065
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,839
but you know someone could go in and

1066
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,760
make a private skyhub network

1067
00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,960
for themselves but the technology is

1068
00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:39,119
freely available to the public

1069
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,040
so even if the military wanted to come

1070
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:43,520
on and take it and use it and whatever

1071
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,520
the military would just be putting them

1072
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,280
in places the public couldn't

1073
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,880
but the technology can never become like

1074
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:52,880
you know private technology can ever

1075
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:54,400
just become privatized by something

1076
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:54,800
right

1077
00:38:58,150 --> 00:38:56,240
it's already out there that's a good

1078
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:58,160
point i think i understand your analogy

1079
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,720
of like

1080
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:01,359
even if you threw a photo up on facebook

1081
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:02,160
or whatever

1082
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,240
like anyone can download it and then

1083
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,839
alter it or change it

1084
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:07,920
or use it how they want you know that's

1085
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:09,680
what's scary about facebook

1086
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:12,800
you think that stuff you own that sorry

1087
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,079
read the fine prank guys

1088
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:16,079
but um yeah you know it's a good point

1089
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,440
it's already out there it's under a

1090
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,040
creative commons license it's under an

1091
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,800
mit kind of software license and things

1092
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,079
like that so you know

1093
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:24,320
uh people can can download it and use it

1094
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,680
however they want i mean we're not

1095
00:39:29,829 --> 00:39:27,440
stopping anybody from

1096
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,839
using sky hubs right like that's not our

1097
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:30,960
goal at all

1098
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,480
um yeah but you know the the software is

1099
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,000
freely available on the internet so yeah

1100
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,599
it's a good it's a really good question

1101
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,520
and frankly

1102
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:41,599
if the military came out and or the

1103
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,200
military came to us and said hey we want

1104
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:45,920
to use the skyhub software

1105
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:49,200
i'd probably say no that would be tough

1106
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,680
yeah

1107
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,839
kind of doesn't feel very good you know

1108
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:54,000
i mean like if nasa wanted to that would

1109
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:54,880
be different i think

1110
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,320
or if you know uh seti wanted to

1111
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,079
to utilize this or whatever like those

1112
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:02,079
are research

1113
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,760
those are that's for scientific research

1114
00:40:07,270 --> 00:40:05,440
right the goal is for this to be done

1115
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,280
for scientific research

1116
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,800
um so i guess that's the difference

1117
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,480
there the application of it might become

1118
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,160
privatized or whatever for some

1119
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,160
parts of people or whatever but the

1120
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,240
software itself the tool itself

1121
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,280
that cat's already out of the bag yeah

1122
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,400
well i mean and i've got some some

1123
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:26,079
really good listener questions in a

1124
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,440
little bit chris but um

1125
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,520
sure this was kind of a big question

1126
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:31,119
that a lot of people had

1127
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,800
and it befuddles me why

1128
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,520
they might not be using it but a lot of

1129
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,200
people want to know

1130
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,240
you know skid walker wrench again this

1131
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,440
big buzzword this tv show this

1132
00:40:51,349 --> 00:40:48,640
mysterious place um

1133
00:40:52,150 --> 00:40:51,359
why aren't they using skyhub man i mean

1134
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,160
come on

1135
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:55,359
they they are like out there every day

1136
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:57,280
saying stuff is happening they're seeing

1137
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:00,640
aerial objects that defy explanation

1138
00:41:05,910 --> 00:41:04,079
but you know we're not seeing that 24 7

1139
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,920
they're not monitoring the skytrain as

1140
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,839
far as i know i could be wrong

1141
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,319
but um has anything like skinwalker

1142
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,000
ranch or any um

1143
00:41:20,069 --> 00:41:13,920
any other companies approached you guys

1144
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:20,079
about using this stuff yet

1145
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,920
what's up guys ryan sprague here and i'm

1146
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,760
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1147
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:25,280
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1148
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,200
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1149
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,359
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1150
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1151
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:33,599
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1152
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1155
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1158
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1159
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,480
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1160
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:48,000
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1161
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:52,000
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1162
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:53,940
thank you and keep looking up

1163
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,430
yeah so a lot of people have approached

1164
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,240
us um i'm not gonna give any particular

1165
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:03,680
names or anything because i think that

1166
00:42:06,069 --> 00:42:04,720
would

1167
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:06,079
yeah uh go against sort of

1168
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,760
confidentiality and just you know just

1169
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:09,280
be kind of a

1170
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:11,440
kind of a dick move so i'm not gonna do

1171
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:12,400
that

1172
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,680
so a lot of the times the issues come

1173
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:22,000
down to

1174
00:42:25,109 --> 00:42:23,280
a lot of the times the issues are

1175
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:25,119
there's a couple different issues

1176
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,440
one issue is that private data issue

1177
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,319
that comes up a lot that is a real issue

1178
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:33,760
for some people in some groups and

1179
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:34,640
whatever

1180
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:37,359
because especially let's say if you're

1181
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,319
if you're working on

1182
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,440
maybe a project that you hope to um

1183
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,440
publish a scientific study on or

1184
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:45,760
something like that

1185
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,119
sometimes that data you want to keep

1186
00:42:53,270 --> 00:42:52,000
under wraps before you publish it

1187
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:53,280
because you don't want somebody else to

1188
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:54,319
scoop you

1189
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,680
frankly so that's one that's one area

1190
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,880
where

1191
00:43:02,470 --> 00:43:00,560
there has been some discussion about you

1192
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:02,480
know okay well that makes sense and you

1193
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:03,359
know they're not gonna use it or

1194
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:04,400
whatever

1195
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,400
another one is does the units currently

1196
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:08,720
need to have access to a power source

1197
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,119
and need to have access to the internet

1198
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,839
you know and that's why like the osiris

1199
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:17,280
project let's say is kind of an

1200
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:17,920
interesting

1201
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:21,119
you know offshoot of of a user trying to

1202
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,680
make

1203
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:24,720
of their skyhub

1204
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,680
right um you know our focus is on

1205
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,599
getting the software going

1206
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,440
um making sure that any bugs that are

1207
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:33,040
there are fixed and making a unit that

1208
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,000
can work

1209
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:36,480
for our initial purposes which was you

1210
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:37,760
can have it on the roof of your house

1211
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:39,520
you can have it in your garden

1212
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,240
kind of near the home but things like

1213
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:43,599
you know applying

1214
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:45,359
um you know getting wi-fi or something

1215
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:46,720
on there or

1216
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,160
um solar panels to power it or other

1217
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:52,160
kind of power sources or whatever

1218
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:53,920
all of that is kind of next stage

1219
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:55,200
development stuff that we haven't even

1220
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,240
really considered

1221
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:57,599
yet because we're trying to focus on

1222
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,359
getting this stuff done

1223
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,000
so you know sometimes there's issues of

1224
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:03,760
logistics sometimes this issue of data

1225
00:44:07,190 --> 00:44:04,319
handling

1226
00:44:09,670 --> 00:44:07,200
sometimes it's just um sometimes it's

1227
00:44:13,750 --> 00:44:09,680
just people are busy doing other things

1228
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:13,760
frankly you know um so

1229
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:15,599
yeah i think that's that's probably the

1230
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,839
best i can give on that answer really

1231
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,920
yeah absolutely that makes complete

1232
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,160
sense yeah again it's it's

1233
00:44:25,990 --> 00:44:25,040
you guys stressing to people who want to

1234
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:26,000
take part in this

1235
00:44:29,510 --> 00:44:28,560
like a lot of the legwork is on you um

1236
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,520
yeah which

1237
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,160
is awesome you guys apply you um you

1238
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,520
give the software

1239
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:35,599
and you collect the data which is

1240
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,880
awesome um

1241
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,960
but yeah you know something like osiris

1242
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,319
i can understand like

1243
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:42,720
taking what skyhub has created building

1244
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,440
off of it

1245
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:45,359
and doing your your cool thing out in

1246
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:47,200
the desert so god bless

1247
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:50,400
mr uh mcgowan for doing that um i give

1248
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,720
him

1249
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:53,040
it's a very cool idea it's one that's so

1250
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,920
cool

1251
00:44:57,030 --> 00:44:55,760
he would never have considered in a

1252
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,040
thousand years

1253
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:59,200
uh yeah yeah so i wish him luck it's a

1254
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,480
very cool yeah it's a very cool

1255
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:01,839
application of it yeah

1256
00:45:07,270 --> 00:45:05,119
it's badass for sure oh well

1257
00:45:09,190 --> 00:45:07,280
speaking of videos i want to kind of

1258
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:09,200
transition over to some

1259
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:12,800
recent stuff in the ufo i guess

1260
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:15,520
mainstream and talk to you about these

1261
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:16,960
videos released by

1262
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,240
jeremy corbell uh george knapp

1263
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:23,280
we saw these uh flying pyramids or pizza

1264
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:24,319
slices that people

1265
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,960
have said in the um recently and we've

1266
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,480
also got an object

1267
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,920
possibly submerging into the ocean both

1268
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,920
pentagon confirmed videos they are

1269
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:35,119
authentic

1270
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,000
they are apparently still unidentified

1271
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,160
we don't know that for sure but um

1272
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,040
in terms of video analyzing chris and

1273
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:44,560
kind of what you guys are doing over at

1274
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:47,280
sky hub with uh constant tracking

1275
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,640
what do you make of these videos and um

1276
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,560
yeah everything going on right now in

1277
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,720
the ufo world when it comes to these uh

1278
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:56,960
these leaks apparently are these leaks

1279
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,119
what do you think

1280
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:01,520
i've always so i've always been cautious

1281
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:02,400
about

1282
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,599
too soon

1283
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,119
um i've always tried to kind of give

1284
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,599
caution but also always tried to take a

1285
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:11,359
pragmatic approach to any of these sorts

1286
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,040
of releases and things my issue with the

1287
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,880
videos

1288
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:18,560
or i guess the thing that i see when i

1289
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:20,079
look at the videos they're interesting

1290
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,970
they're very interesting

1291
00:46:24,790 --> 00:46:22,319
[Music]

1292
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:24,800
the way that they've come out is

1293
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,000
interesting

1294
00:46:31,109 --> 00:46:29,359
and i think that the people who have

1295
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:31,119
pushed them out

1296
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:35,920
also are inevitably part of the story

1297
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,000
it's really hard it's really hard when

1298
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:43,349
like corbell and knapp have kind of and

1299
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:43,680
even

1300
00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:45,520
leslie keane and ralph blumenthal and

1301
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,200
all of those figures

1302
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,359
have kind of inserted themselves into

1303
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:50,800
the stories

1304
00:46:54,630 --> 00:46:52,160
you know they've they've built for

1305
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:54,640
themselves their own mythos

1306
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,960
in ufo uh in ufo history and lore

1307
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:02,079
so i think it's really

1308
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:04,319
it's really disingenuous to expect the

1309
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:05,200
public

1310
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,599
or other researchers or scientists or

1311
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:09,520
whoever

1312
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:12,960
to just take the videos on their merits

1313
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:14,480
alone

1314
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:17,599
when there is so much history

1315
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:20,880
and you know bad actors

1316
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:24,240
and everything else um kind of rolled up

1317
00:47:28,150 --> 00:47:26,960
into the history and and provenance of

1318
00:47:31,030 --> 00:47:28,160
the videos and the

1319
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,040
the intelligence that comes from them so

1320
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,640
that's one thought right that my main

1321
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,400
thought has always been you know

1322
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:36,319
uh i mean i'm sure i've said it on your

1323
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:37,599
show before i've said it on many other

1324
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,680
shows before

1325
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,920
for me the concern has always been that

1326
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:44,400
any data that you get that comes from or

1327
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:45,599
comes through

1328
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:49,359
the kind of standard ufo media sources

1329
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:52,720
is fruit of the poison tree you know

1330
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:56,319
if someone came to me with a if somebody

1331
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:57,680
came to me with a

1332
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:01,839
clear-cut video of a ufo

1333
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,480
i would not be the person to break the

1334
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,119
story on my podcast

1335
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:09,119
right because because it's an important

1336
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:10,720
piece of like

1337
00:48:18,069 --> 00:48:14,319
evidence in history i would bring it to

1338
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:18,079
the best people i could find for it

1339
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,520
and so i think that the issue or one of

1340
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:22,800
the issues is that

1341
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:25,200
before this the people you would bring

1342
00:48:29,109 --> 00:48:26,240
it to

1343
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,119
have made it something sometimes have

1344
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:31,440
made it about themselves

1345
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,040
or or have become part of that story

1346
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:35,520
themselves that's issue number one

1347
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,280
in terms of the videos themselves the

1348
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:39,040
quality of the videos

1349
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:40,640
they're interesting i think actually

1350
00:48:43,510 --> 00:48:42,000
probably the most interesting thing

1351
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:43,520
about them

1352
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,880
is hearing the people's especially in

1353
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:48,240
the second video released

1354
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:51,599
of the kind of round infrared object

1355
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:53,200
or the infrared of the round kind of

1356
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:56,319
heat signature dropping into the ocean

1357
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,760
that one is interesting because you can

1358
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:59,440
hear the people giving the

1359
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:01,119
uh kind of giving a play of what's

1360
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:02,640
happening to it that

1361
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:09,030
but in terms of what we would probably

1362
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:12,160
categorize them as

1363
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:13,520
i mean i think it's too early to say i

1364
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:15,359
think it's hard to say but they they

1365
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:16,720
don't

1366
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,319
from known objects

1367
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:29,200
to make them interesting and that's kind

1368
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:30,000
of the problem

1369
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:33,200
i think sometimes with using a

1370
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:34,400
you know one question that people have

1371
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:35,680
given us that's a really good question

1372
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,839
is well what if the ufo is just flying

1373
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,839
like an airplane

1374
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:42,960
right that's a good question yeah good

1375
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,000
question right it's a really good

1376
00:49:48,069 --> 00:49:45,680
question and in that case

1377
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:48,079
we're gonna get a false negative right

1378
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:49,680
we're gonna measure

1379
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,760
um and say that it's an airplane when it

1380
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,280
isn't it's really an unidentified or

1381
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,280
whatever it is

1382
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:58,000
that's possible but that's why you give

1383
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,720
other

1384
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:00,720
metrics as well you don't just base it

1385
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,119
off of you know

1386
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,280
velocity or shape or whatever you do

1387
00:50:09,750 --> 00:50:07,200
other things

1388
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:09,760
i think that the arguments on the first

1389
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:11,599
one of the triangle

1390
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:16,319
i think the case that it is um

1391
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,760
an object not really in frame is pretty

1392
00:50:25,270 --> 00:50:21,119
convincing to me

1393
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,280
unfortunately so you're talking like um

1394
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:27,760
a like a sort of an apparition of the

1395
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,800
camera

1396
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:31,280
okay essentially that the object itself

1397
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,960
like the object itself isn't is blurry

1398
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,440
right and unless mitch hedberg's right

1399
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,880
and you know bigfoot is blurry and

1400
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:41,200
that's why all his photos look blurry

1401
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,880
it's not really a great argument for why

1402
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:44,559
your video is blurry

1403
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,240
so i think that one's kind of

1404
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:48,400
interesting but i think

1405
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:50,079
again would probably be something that

1406
00:50:52,829 --> 00:50:51,920
we would not we would not consider to be

1407
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:52,839
of interest

1408
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:55,520
maybe the fact that it's a triangle

1409
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,000
shape

1410
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:57,920
is of interest that would be something

1411
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,920
we would notice

1412
00:51:03,349 --> 00:51:01,760
and our machine would notice too that

1413
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:03,359
the system would notice hey this is a

1414
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:04,319
triangle

1415
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:05,839
that's different than the shape of a

1416
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,280
normal airplane or an insect or whatever

1417
00:51:12,309 --> 00:51:11,520
but that's also why we our system

1418
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:12,319
ultimately is

1419
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,880
the goal is to have two cameras one for

1420
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,480
initial detection and then the other one

1421
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:17,440
to focus

1422
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,119
and take a clear image oh that's cool

1423
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,599
um which is a really cool thing and it's

1424
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,400
like

1425
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:27,200
people come on and hype stuff before

1426
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,720
it's even developed we haven't developed

1427
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,839
for it but it's something we hope to

1428
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,880
develop soon

1429
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,920
um the other the other one the other

1430
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,920
video of kind of the round object that

1431
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:37,040
appears to sort of

1432
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:40,319
fall slowly to the ocean surface

1433
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:43,839
and then dip away

1434
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:48,079
again it's sort of if we had that video

1435
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,800
we probably would have we would think

1436
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:52,480
it's interesting it would be out of the

1437
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:56,000
realm of normal things that we'd expect

1438
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,040
but i do suspect that again

1439
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,920
if that one i think you just need more

1440
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,520
you you need more data on

1441
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,359
you know the argument the argument that

1442
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,880
it's like a balloon or something

1443
00:52:10,069 --> 00:52:09,119
i mean maybe that kind of could make

1444
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:10,079
sense

1445
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:12,160
it could be a light piece of metal

1446
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:13,599
falling that's been heated and that's

1447
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:14,319
why it's got

1448
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:17,119
the ir flare around it or whatever you

1449
00:52:20,710 --> 00:52:17,520
know

1450
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:20,720
all of those i mean maybe but

1451
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,920
you know it's i for me at least it

1452
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:25,680
starts to stretch

1453
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:30,640
credulity like the idea that a

1454
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:33,839
the idea that a single

1455
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,200
pilot or single navy service member or

1456
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:38,880
whoever

1457
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:42,319
that she or he would be mistaken

1458
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:46,240
about seeing an object once

1459
00:52:50,549 --> 00:52:48,640
um very quickly and having kind of a

1460
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,559
frightened reaction whatever

1461
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:52,720
that to me doesn't seem out of the realm

1462
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,880
of possibility

1463
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:57,440
but that's not what we're really talking

1464
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,319
about here

1465
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,880
we're talking about a group of people

1466
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:01,680
claiming

1467
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:07,750
over a prolonged period of time at

1468
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,319
regular intervals

1469
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:12,559
that is not going to just be every

1470
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,319
morning everyone on the ship wakes up

1471
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:16,880
and puts on their bokeh glasses

1472
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:20,160
you know that that isn't going to work

1473
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,599
and so i think that in that case we have

1474
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,240
a much more interesting question to ask

1475
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:28,319
but again the other thing that ufo

1476
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,319
people don't seem to want to

1477
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,079
or the people pushing this story don't

1478
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,240
want to um

1479
00:53:39,109 --> 00:53:37,200
really make note of is that a lot of

1480
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:39,119
these people have made extreme claims

1481
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:39,839
before

1482
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:43,520
and been proven wrong you know um

1483
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:47,520
bob lazar didn't make a super

1484
00:53:51,990 --> 00:53:51,040
mega element that let him travel through

1485
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:52,000
space

1486
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:54,160
right like that or aliens travel through

1487
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:55,599
space like that didn't happen

1488
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,800
um and so

1489
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:00,319
it's part of i think the problem

1490
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,870
people people think

1491
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:09,440
that people at the same time think that

1492
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,000
science

1493
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,280
is this evil thing keeping ufo

1494
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,200
world down and making fun of them and

1495
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:17,200
whatever but then also

1496
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:20,160
think that ufo or science is this

1497
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,640
perfect

1498
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:23,680
bastion where a single clear photo

1499
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:27,280
will get rid of a hundred years of

1500
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:30,960
uh fraud and con men and grifters

1501
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:34,000
science is a human endeavor

1502
00:54:40,150 --> 00:54:37,359
so you need to think critically

1503
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:40,160
um is the person who's putting this

1504
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,280
evidence forward

1505
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:44,400
have they cried alien before

1506
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:47,839
if they have don't use them

1507
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,760
they're not a good source anymore right

1508
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,680
because like

1509
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:53,280
it sounds harsh it sounds terrible

1510
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,040
especially considering you and i both

1511
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:57,280
have podcasts to talk about ufos

1512
00:55:01,829 --> 00:55:00,079
but you know what i mean like if if if

1513
00:55:03,510 --> 00:55:01,839
you are trying to get the best

1514
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,520
evidence out there or this story out

1515
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,480
there in a way that gets taken seriously

1516
00:55:10,630 --> 00:55:07,920
you either have to have taken it

1517
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:10,640
seriously from the beginning

1518
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:14,079
and kind of been consistent with your

1519
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,520
arguments and everything else and try to

1520
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,640
stay away from the comment and

1521
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:18,160
everything else and whatever

1522
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:21,680
um or you get to be a ufo media

1523
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,319
celebrity

1524
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:25,119
you can't have both in my opinion you

1525
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,599
know

1526
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,000
you sometimes can like i think your show

1527
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:29,760
is a good example here of

1528
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,319
you you listen to people's stories you

1529
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,480
kind of take their views in your your

1530
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:37,359
but you're also not really what's the

1531
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,640
word

1532
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,559
you're also though you're you're almost

1533
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:42,160
more like a

1534
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:44,160
a commentator right so that's it's a

1535
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:45,280
different it's a different

1536
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,720
place in the kind of storyline

1537
00:55:52,870 --> 00:55:50,799
um if you're somebody though who's

1538
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,880
trying to produce evidence

1539
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,359
that requires a different a different

1540
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:56,960
play in this world

1541
00:56:01,670 --> 00:55:59,920
absolutely yeah yeah no that's you may

1542
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:01,680
you bring up so many good points chris

1543
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,799
and um

1544
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,799
you do and i mentioned this on my

1545
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,880
previous episode of

1546
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,880
and i actually heard this from a fellow

1547
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:10,720
researcher nick redfern

1548
00:56:15,030 --> 00:56:13,839
said when you are a ufo researcher and

1549
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:15,040
you're given

1550
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,119
like this

1551
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,240
remember you have to ask yourself why me

1552
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:25,280
why did they choose me to give this and

1553
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:26,960
say to put this out in the public

1554
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,839
so i completely understand that um that

1555
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:30,960
side of what you're saying

1556
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:33,920
my um i guess kind of to piggyback off

1557
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:34,640
of

1558
00:56:40,950 --> 00:56:38,559
retrospect

1559
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:40,960
are these videos something that skyhub

1560
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:41,920
can then

1561
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,839
look at and um analyze in terms of the

1562
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,440
you know the software that you've

1563
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:49,440
created so can we can we put

1564
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,040
old ufo videos into the

1565
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,920
data processing of skyhub and possibly

1566
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:57,839
get some answers from them like

1567
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,119
if you could i mean holy [\h__\h] man

1568
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,160
we would have 70 plus years of videos we

1569
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:05,920
can now look at

1570
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,559
it's something we've considered before

1571
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,920
um

1572
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:11,839
right now the camera so let me show you

1573
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:13,599
quickly the camera that skyhub uses

1574
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:15,280
currently

1575
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:18,319
is a fisheye camera

1576
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:21,119
so all of the metrics all of the kind of

1577
00:57:24,549 --> 00:57:22,559
machine learning all of the stuff that

1578
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:24,559
we've built all the software we've built

1579
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,559
has been built with a fisheye camera

1580
00:57:30,470 --> 00:57:28,559
lens in mind

1581
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,480
the other kind of value of skyhub or

1582
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,559
something like a skyhub is

1583
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,880
because the camera and the systems are

1584
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,680
all

1585
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:38,400
the same thing um or within the same

1586
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,680
realm of things right

1587
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,240
all of the data can be compared to each

1588
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,079
other

1589
00:57:48,390 --> 00:57:46,240
um it's kind of like back in the 80s or

1590
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:48,400
90s when ufo investigative groups would

1591
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:49,440
give out

1592
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:52,240
they would give to witnesses special

1593
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:54,079
cameras that they use for those sorts of

1594
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:55,599
things or that couldn't be tampered with

1595
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:56,079
and

1596
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,599
all this other stuff um

1597
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:01,920
so to start with at this point in time

1598
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:03,040
no that can't happen

1599
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,480
however it it isn't hard to do

1600
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:08,240
something or it would not be impossible

1601
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:10,000
to do something like that

1602
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:14,319
so there are um there are other

1603
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:17,040
there are machine learning um object

1604
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:18,480
detection or object

1605
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:21,200
categorization tools that are out there

1606
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:22,480
right now that are available on the

1607
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,839
internet for free

1608
00:58:27,430 --> 00:58:25,359
that people can download it takes a

1609
00:58:30,950 --> 00:58:27,440
little bit of python or golang

1610
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,960
um knowledge but you know if if i was

1611
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,119
able to learn those things

1612
00:58:37,750 --> 00:58:35,599
well enough uh to to kind of work with

1613
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:37,760
the software people for skyhub

1614
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,720
anyone can i am not good at languages

1615
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,240
and so it's

1616
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:44,880
it's not super impossible actually um

1617
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:45,359
yeah

1618
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,680
coding's not my thing either man no it's

1619
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:49,599
really i've never been good at it but

1620
00:58:52,789 --> 00:58:50,880
it's something now that i've actually

1621
00:58:53,910 --> 00:58:52,799
gotten i have a reason to learn right so

1622
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:53,920
it's nice i kind of

1623
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:57,440
can do it more um so what i would say

1624
00:59:04,309 --> 00:59:02,950
so it's something we could build it's

1625
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:04,319
something we could we absolutely could

1626
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,960
build

1627
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:06,640
it's not the current plan or it's not

1628
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:08,799
the current structure that's in mind

1629
00:59:12,870 --> 00:59:11,440
however um it would not be impossible to

1630
00:59:14,870 --> 00:59:12,880
build

1631
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,880
yeah in fact it might in fact it might

1632
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:16,799
be easier than

1633
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:21,200
because sky hub is using a fisheye lens

1634
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:24,319
versus just a normal image right right

1635
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:27,760
it's a relation yeah so many variables

1636
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,280
would have to be put into play you know

1637
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:31,119
the camera that was used for that

1638
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,880
particular video um so much to it i

1639
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,640
completely understand that but

1640
00:59:39,990 --> 00:59:38,880
you guys have something more immediate

1641
00:59:44,630 --> 00:59:40,000
right still though

1642
00:59:47,829 --> 00:59:44,640
it's again like that is a huge part of

1643
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,839
so right now um kind of

1644
00:59:51,270 --> 00:59:50,480
object detection software engineering or

1645
00:59:53,430 --> 00:59:51,280
kind of you know

1646
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:53,440
theory or whatever the research world is

1647
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:55,280
kind of broken up into two

1648
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:58,400
major categories i guess one would be

1649
01:00:04,470 --> 01:00:01,839
static object or static

1650
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,480
static detector or static camera and the

1651
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:06,319
other would be like a motion or a moving

1652
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,200
camera like a

1653
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,799
drone or something or a camera on a

1654
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:10,240
drone

1655
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,640
system has more study done with it

1656
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:17,839
frankly because i think it's more of

1657
01:00:21,349 --> 01:00:19,760
interest a hotter topic

1658
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,359
but that is actually probably closer to

1659
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,559
what we would have to do for something

1660
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,920
like what you're talking about

1661
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:25,839
yeah it's a really good question though

1662
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:27,520
so chris i want to move to some

1663
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,079
listener questions uh that people were

1664
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:32,160
really excited to submit i know some of

1665
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,040
these people

1666
01:00:37,109 --> 01:00:35,599
are directly involved with skyhub either

1667
01:00:37,910 --> 01:00:37,119
have the software have been messing

1668
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,920
around with it

1669
01:00:42,069 --> 01:00:40,480
or they're really curious about um your

1670
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,079
thoughts on some of this other stuff

1671
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,799
so i'm going to start with um aaron on

1672
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:46,640
twitter aaron asks

1673
01:00:49,750 --> 01:00:49,440
what do you expect skyhub to look like

1674
01:00:53,190 --> 01:00:49,760
in

1675
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,200
the future of

1676
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,920
skyhub is but yeah man 10 years from now

1677
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,280
i don't even want to know

1678
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,599
where humanity is going to be at let

1679
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,079
alone sky hub but yeah what do you think

1680
01:01:05,589 --> 01:01:03,839
i was going to say let's hope for uh

1681
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:05,599
let's hope that we're all still uh

1682
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:08,000
you know civilization is still standing

1683
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:08,640
um

1684
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:11,839
no also aaron has been a huge

1685
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:15,119
uh a hugely uh important new member of

1686
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:16,319
the team actually his

1687
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:20,079
his camera is like his camera is like in

1688
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:20,720
the best

1689
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:24,480
possible place it's so interesting like

1690
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,599
any time we capture something

1691
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:27,280
interesting there's like a 75 percent

1692
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:28,559
chance it's from aaron

1693
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,440
um at this point in time it's ridiculous

1694
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:33,359
dude he sent me some of the videos

1695
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:37,119
um yeah and man those things

1696
01:01:40,390 --> 01:01:39,200
i i don't even know how you can begin to

1697
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:40,400
describe some of the things he's

1698
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:40,960
captured

1699
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:43,040
so far but he's that's what you guys are

1700
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,559
yeah i know he's capturing some really

1701
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,640
cool things uh which is which is amazing

1702
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,240
so

1703
01:01:52,549 --> 01:01:50,160
in 10 years you know what i would really

1704
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:52,559
love to see is

1705
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:55,680
i would love to see our initial our

1706
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:56,880
initial system

1707
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,920
completed so and in a

1708
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,520
stable state so not really you know

1709
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:03,520
updates occasionally but

1710
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:05,039
you know no major updates to the

1711
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:07,839
platform so um

1712
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,200
what i mean but what i mean by that

1713
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,119
would be um

1714
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:14,160
units that are able to do that kind of

1715
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:15,119
minimum

1716
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,400
know

1717
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:20,720
they have a camera attached um they have

1718
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:22,240
sensors attached

1719
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,640
they are able to detect objects

1720
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:26,480
categorize them successfully

1721
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,440
and there is a pipeline where the public

1722
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:31,760
even if you don't own a sky hub

1723
01:02:35,910 --> 01:02:33,680
can go and view the videos that are

1724
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:35,920
coming out of skyhub

1725
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:38,160
um and pull the data if you want to do

1726
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:39,920
data analysis as well

1727
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:42,960
if that's of interest for you so that

1728
01:02:48,390 --> 01:02:45,440
would be if we could reach that goal

1729
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,400
um and i don't it's not really that's

1730
01:02:53,109 --> 01:02:51,039
that's not even as long term as 10 years

1731
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:53,119
but if we could hit that goal that would

1732
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,400
really be

1733
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:56,000
i would feel like we've done exactly

1734
01:03:01,430 --> 01:02:58,799
what we've set out to do

1735
01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:01,440
in in terms of further stuff what i

1736
01:03:07,270 --> 01:03:02,000
would love to

1737
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,280
hubs used for other purposes

1738
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:09,200
besides just you know detecting

1739
01:03:12,390 --> 01:03:10,559
airplanes or

1740
01:03:14,710 --> 01:03:12,400
you know those sorts of things i would

1741
01:03:16,150 --> 01:03:14,720
love to see a skyhub

1742
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:16,160
i would love to see groups develop

1743
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:17,760
skyhub for you know

1744
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:21,440
astronomy for um measuring

1745
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:23,839
um you know attaching there's there's

1746
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:25,280
very cheap

1747
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:28,079
um telescope telescope uh systems that

1748
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,720
can be

1749
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,559
added to things like raspberry pi say

1750
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,240
for example today

1751
01:03:35,910 --> 01:03:34,799
um skyhub uses the the jetson uh

1752
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,920
platform

1753
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:38,160
um which is a microcomputer like a

1754
01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:40,319
raspberry pi but from nvidia

1755
01:03:44,470 --> 01:03:42,480
um you know development of something

1756
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:44,480
like that on top of skyhub i think would

1757
01:03:46,470 --> 01:03:44,960
be really

1758
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:46,480
fascinating and interesting and add

1759
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:49,520
another layer of what it can do

1760
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:53,359
i would also love to really see

1761
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:56,799
i would love to see the units themselves

1762
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:00,640
get cheaper um and the software

1763
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:04,400
get more robust to the point where

1764
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:06,160
for you to purchase the stuff you need

1765
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:08,000
to make a skyhub work

1766
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:10,799
you're spending 100 bucks 200 bucks that

1767
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,440
really in

1768
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:13,200
in 10 years i think that's absolutely

1769
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:14,799
doable right now

1770
01:04:19,109 --> 01:04:16,960
a sky hub can cost depending on what you

1771
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,119
want to put in it and everything else

1772
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:20,880
you know around 100 around a thousand

1773
01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,799
dollars thousand to two thousand dollars

1774
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,720
depending on the cameras you want and

1775
01:04:27,750 --> 01:04:26,240
how many other sensors you want to add

1776
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:27,760
and all that other stuff

1777
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:30,079
but i think as we develop you know every

1778
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:31,680
every month that we develop it gets a

1779
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:33,680
little bit cheaper

1780
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:36,079
um but the hardware really is the area

1781
01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:37,520
where

1782
01:04:40,870 --> 01:04:39,440
the cost comes in and those are hardware

1783
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,880
pieces that we have no control over

1784
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:42,880
right we're not we're not building

1785
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,480
um we're we're not building our own

1786
01:04:48,309 --> 01:04:46,240
cameras or something so

1787
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:48,319
right um 10 years that's what i want to

1788
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:49,680
see so i want to see a sky hub that's

1789
01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:51,119
fully functional

1790
01:04:57,309 --> 01:04:54,160
um that only cost you 100 bucks

1791
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:57,319
i love that man again it's um sort of

1792
01:05:02,470 --> 01:05:00,160
democratizing the entire

1793
01:05:03,190 --> 01:05:02,480
experience you know i mean the more

1794
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:03,200
people

1795
01:05:07,109 --> 01:05:05,680
who can afford to do skyhub the more

1796
01:05:08,950 --> 01:05:07,119
data we're going to get the more we're

1797
01:05:11,270 --> 01:05:08,960
gonna understand what we're dealing with

1798
01:05:12,230 --> 01:05:11,280
and everyone wins so yeah i think that's

1799
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,240
a really good point

1800
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:14,240
and also using the software and

1801
01:05:19,190 --> 01:05:16,400
technology you guys are creating

1802
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:19,200
um for other purposes you know i wrote

1803
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:19,760
this

1804
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:22,799
huge scary article over at the debrief

1805
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,200
about

1806
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,760
um satellites and how there are

1807
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,119
satellites right now

1808
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,880
that can literally zoom into your

1809
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:30,240
bedroom and can

1810
01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:32,880
actually pierce through solid walls to

1811
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:34,160
capture images

1812
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:36,400
and that sounds absolutely terrifying

1813
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:37,280
and the

1814
01:05:41,829 --> 01:05:39,039
the breadth and scope of these

1815
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:41,839
satellites seems very um

1816
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,200
uh you know like privacy breaking

1817
01:05:49,990 --> 01:05:48,000
but um we have to keep in mind too some

1818
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,000
of these satellites that are monitoring

1819
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:53,280
the earth 24 7 are being used for really

1820
01:05:56,789 --> 01:05:54,160
good purposes

1821
01:05:57,589 --> 01:05:56,799
such as natural disasters and being able

1822
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:57,599
to

1823
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:01,440
sooner be like yo this fire's coming

1824
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:01,920
your way

1825
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:04,480
get out of there or um to better prepare

1826
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:05,760
for things like that

1827
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,680
so um i think that's great that again

1828
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:09,440
skyhub is not just

1829
01:06:14,950 --> 01:06:12,880
for looking for ufos or um

1830
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:14,960
you know it's there's a reason it's

1831
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:16,319
called skyhub and not

1832
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:18,400
ufo hub or something like that right

1833
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:19,440
right yeah

1834
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:21,039
i think actually you do bring up a good

1835
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:22,160
point and it's actually something i

1836
01:06:24,710 --> 01:06:23,520
should have probably

1837
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:24,720
maybe it'll end up in a listener

1838
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:27,280
question but the privacy issues

1839
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:30,880
um we take those extremely seriously and

1840
01:06:35,829 --> 01:06:32,559
you know it's such an important thing i

1841
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:35,839
mean you know we're

1842
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:39,119
you know if uh if you if

1843
01:06:44,069 --> 01:06:41,839
someone came to me and said hey i'm a

1844
01:06:47,510 --> 01:06:44,079
ufo researcher let me put this

1845
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:47,520
uh 24-hour camera on your house

1846
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:50,240
i would tell them to go to hell you know

1847
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:50,960
i would

1848
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:54,160
lawn

1849
01:07:00,069 --> 01:06:57,359
um the camera is built to

1850
01:07:02,069 --> 01:07:00,079
only measure when it detects an object

1851
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:02,079
that's number one

1852
01:07:10,309 --> 01:07:06,480
number two one of the things that we are

1853
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:10,319
detecting for um at the early stages

1854
01:07:13,270 --> 01:07:11,200
here

1855
01:07:15,670 --> 01:07:13,280
are things that we tell want to tell the

1856
01:07:18,549 --> 01:07:15,680
camera don't measure this

1857
01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:18,559
right so for example if you you know my

1858
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:19,520
my unit for

1859
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:23,119
the winner um because my enclosure isn't

1860
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,880
very good or wasn't very good for a long

1861
01:07:29,029 --> 01:07:25,920
time

1862
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:29,039
was sitting here in my office and

1863
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:31,760
the most common object my skyhub unit

1864
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,160
detected were my cats

1865
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,559
right um so that kind of thing we would

1866
01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,319
tell it hey throw this out

1867
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,760
right or if it sees a person throw it

1868
01:07:44,549 --> 01:07:41,520
out or um

1869
01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:44,559
you know automatic masking of buildings

1870
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:48,000
or surrounding areas to retain privacy

1871
01:07:51,750 --> 01:07:49,680
so all the better things that we're

1872
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,760
taking very seriously and again

1873
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,440
if you're interested in those kinds of

1874
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:55,520
um if you're interested in any of this

1875
01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:58,000
but um you know join our join our

1876
01:08:00,789 --> 01:07:59,440
discord and ask us to be part of the

1877
01:08:03,750 --> 01:08:00,799
team because we are

1878
01:08:05,190 --> 01:08:03,760
um we are again an open project so

1879
01:08:06,870 --> 01:08:05,200
anyone can join

1880
01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:06,880
and uh so long as you have the time and

1881
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:08,839
the desire to we're happy to have your

1882
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:11,359
help cool man yeah and we'll definitely

1883
01:08:15,510 --> 01:08:12,640
put those links

1884
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:15,520
in for people um at the end here let's

1885
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:18,000
move on to this listener question um one

1886
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:18,960
on facebook the

1887
01:08:23,269 --> 01:08:21,759
long time listener of the show so shout

1888
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:23,279
out to owner thank you for all your

1889
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,239
support yep

1890
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:26,880
he's awesome scientist the bald

1891
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:27,679
scientist

1892
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:30,000
exactly he's got a curveball for you

1893
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:31,279
here i like this one

1894
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,719
um the tic tac type of ufos

1895
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,799
i'm partial to the nuts and bolts model

1896
01:08:41,349 --> 01:08:39,359
to explain them but what gives me pause

1897
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,359
are two main properties of them

1898
01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:43,600
their apparent lack of interaction with

1899
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:44,880
the environment

1900
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:47,440
uh you know lack of sonic booms and

1901
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:49,359
hypersonic speeds he says

1902
01:08:52,870 --> 01:08:51,440
and even more weirdly their uncanny

1903
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:52,880
ability to stop

1904
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,239
on a dime inertia be damned this is

1905
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,319
you could tell he's a scientist do you

1906
01:09:01,669 --> 01:09:00,400
know of any material that even

1907
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:01,679
theoretically

1908
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:03,600
could be manipulated to express both

1909
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:10,630
that's a really good question the reason

1910
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:12,000
[Music]

1911
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:15,759
i think i know o'neil well enough to say

1912
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:17,759
that one of the reasons he's probably

1913
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:20,239
asking the question on inertia

1914
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:23,839
is if you guys have ever seen

1915
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,880
the movie spaceballs

1916
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:28,719
there's the part where when they come

1917
01:09:34,390 --> 01:09:31,440
out of ludicrous speed or whatever

1918
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:34,400
they stop and then lord you know helmet

1919
01:09:39,269 --> 01:09:35,839
or whatever darth helmet

1920
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,279
goes flying right you know yeah

1921
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:41,920
it kind of wakes up the scooter i love

1922
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:42,880
it um

1923
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,719
so um anyone that's been on an

1924
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,279
on a bus that has stopped suddenly or

1925
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:51,920
even in a car that stopped suddenly

1926
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:55,440
um and been jolted forward we'll know

1927
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,679
um what the problem here is for

1928
01:10:02,470 --> 01:09:59,679
something like a tic tac

1929
01:10:03,830 --> 01:10:02,480
object where it is going very very

1930
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:03,840
quickly then stops

1931
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,440
inertia would suggest that all the

1932
01:10:10,870 --> 01:10:07,920
occupants of the tic tac are jelly

1933
01:10:11,669 --> 01:10:10,880
um after they hit the side of the uh the

1934
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,679
wall

1935
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:13,199
right so they experience g-forces and

1936
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,719
the forces of the wall you know all

1937
01:10:21,830 --> 01:10:17,760
those other things

1938
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:25,350
we have things that can

1939
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:28,840
lessen the effect of

1940
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,159
g-force but not materials but like you

1941
01:10:35,430 --> 01:10:34,159
can imagine for example like i just gave

1942
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:35,440
a stupid

1943
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:39,040
um so

1944
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,640
actually a lot of high schools will do

1945
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:42,080
this experiment with their engineering

1946
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,760
students

1947
01:10:47,430 --> 01:10:46,320
where you build a protection um a

1948
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:47,440
protection device

1949
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:51,040
for um an egg that goes into a water

1950
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,840
rocket

1951
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:54,159
right oh yeah that's cool i've heard of

1952
01:11:02,709 --> 01:10:58,880
this in this scenario where the egg

1953
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,719
and we don't want to become a goo so

1954
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,800
one thing that we could do for example

1955
01:11:07,110 --> 01:11:06,560
inside an object like that or a tic tac

1956
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:07,120
or whatever

1957
01:11:12,229 --> 01:11:11,040
is um i'm not a

1958
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:12,239
you know i'm not a simple or an

1959
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:14,800
aeronautic aerospace engineer

1960
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,120
but one could imagine for example a

1961
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:19,199
internal

1962
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:26,400
also always in motion

1963
01:11:31,510 --> 01:11:29,679
so you have kind of a so like imagine

1964
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:31,520
you're on

1965
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:38,239
you're sitting on a on a bike

1966
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,920
and so the airplane stops suddenly

1967
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,159
but you're on the bike and the bike has

1968
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:47,040
its own separate stopping mechanism of

1969
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,719
the your inertia you would still

1970
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:53,120
stop so the the airplane stops and you

1971
01:11:55,669 --> 01:11:54,159
keep moving

1972
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:55,679
but because you have your own braking

1973
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:58,080
mechanism internally to the airplane

1974
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:01,360
you can stop at a at a good enough speed

1975
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:04,719
that you do not um you are not

1976
01:12:11,669 --> 01:12:08,159
impacted by or you're impacted less than

1977
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:15,430
that is one potential um

1978
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:18,000
kind of idea that you could do right so

1979
01:12:22,149 --> 01:12:19,600
there's ways that you can kind of design

1980
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:22,159
maybe around that but again we're

1981
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,520
talking like

1982
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:26,320
this these are the uh there's an

1983
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:27,760
aerospace engineer someplace listening

1984
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:29,120
to this that's being like these are the

1985
01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:32,320
ramblings of a lunatic mind

1986
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,320
like so there's there's like stuff you

1987
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:36,000
can do i mean you know we we

1988
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,440
do some stuff like that too with um

1989
01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:41,199
you can think like with ballistic

1990
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:42,880
ballistic vests or stuff like that right

1991
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,400
those are all designed

1992
01:12:47,510 --> 01:12:46,560
to lessen the impact of a ballistic

1993
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:47,520
impact

1994
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:50,400
on a person or on an object or whatever

1995
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,840
similar source technologies can be

1996
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,159
applied to things like an air you know

1997
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:57,280
a spaceship or whatever in terms of the

1998
01:13:02,470 --> 01:12:58,719
ability to kind of

1999
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:02,480
um the ability to seemingly

2000
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,520
not be affected by sheer um

2001
01:13:08,950 --> 01:13:07,440
or the kind of you know wind drag or

2002
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,960
stress or things like that that come

2003
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:10,560
from

2004
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:13,679
being in an atmosphere there are

2005
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:16,719
surface coatings that can allow you to

2006
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:17,440
much

2007
01:13:23,030 --> 01:13:20,880
significantly lessen drag there's also

2008
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:23,040
ones that can greatly

2009
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:27,199
decrease um decrease you know the

2010
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,960
the heat generated or things like that

2011
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:30,800
and also ways that you can

2012
01:13:34,870 --> 01:13:33,440
besides just not feeling the effect

2013
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:34,880
there are also again ways that you can

2014
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:35,280
kind of

2015
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:38,400
mitigate the force of those things

2016
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:41,920
so for example there are nano materials

2017
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:44,480
that are structured in such a way that

2018
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:45,679
heat transfer is

2019
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:48,880
limited to a maximum value

2020
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:52,320
because the material is so small um

2021
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:56,080
in some direction that the the quanta

2022
01:14:02,630 --> 01:13:59,199
of heat energy the phonon literally

2023
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,640
cannot transport through the material

2024
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:04,239
that so that would be another thing that

2025
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:05,840
potentially you could think about

2026
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,560
you know something like that maybe could

2027
01:14:14,870 --> 01:14:09,679
happen but

2028
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:14,880
you know again i think that um you know

2029
01:14:19,350 --> 01:14:17,040
so there are possibilities there for

2030
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:19,360
things that could maybe be happening

2031
01:14:25,669 --> 01:14:23,280
and sometimes i think the answer is less

2032
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,679
sometimes the answer is less exotic than

2033
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:27,360
we think it is

2034
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:31,040
um you know i mean

2035
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,110
you know painting an object white versus

2036
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,360
painting it black will change the

2037
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:41,760
amount of thermal radiation it gets from

2038
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:42,880
sunlight

2039
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:45,520
by a huge factor right that's a simple

2040
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,480
change you can do

2041
01:14:51,430 --> 01:14:49,120
so there might be other simple changes

2042
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:51,440
we can do that we just don't know of yet

2043
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:53,280
because we just haven't had to face that

2044
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:56,080
problem with engineering

2045
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:58,800
such a good point yeah we are we are

2046
01:15:01,510 --> 01:15:01,199
cursed by our own limitations at times

2047
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,520
but

2048
01:15:04,709 --> 01:15:03,600
uh yeah that's a good appointment well

2049
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:04,719
only um

2050
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:06,400
he just leaves this comment too and i'd

2051
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,840
love to read this even though it's not a

2052
01:15:11,270 --> 01:15:09,600
question he puts it really well

2053
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:11,280
personally i hope these things are from

2054
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:13,760
other countries and not from out there

2055
01:15:17,910 --> 01:15:15,920
you see if they are from here at least

2056
01:15:18,229 --> 01:15:17,920
we have a decent chance of replicating

2057
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:18,239
such

2058
01:15:22,870 --> 01:15:21,120
technology like you said and um even

2059
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:22,880
developing defenses against them

2060
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:24,320
because there is no significant

2061
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:25,840
difference in the technological

2062
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,880
capabilities

2063
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:29,280
between countries on the other hand true

2064
01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,440
alien tech is bound to be thousands

2065
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:33,600
perhaps millions of years ahead of ours

2066
01:15:37,189 --> 01:15:34,480
in that case

2067
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:37,199
there will be nothing we can do if they

2068
01:15:40,870 --> 01:15:38,239
decide that they

2069
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,880
are done with us which i wouldn't blame

2070
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:42,719
them at this point chris would you

2071
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,440
oh no we are uh yeah no

2072
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:50,159
a lot of self-reflection yeah that's uh

2073
01:15:53,189 --> 01:15:50,560
boy

2074
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:53,199
uh you know i think one a is totally

2075
01:15:58,149 --> 01:15:54,080
right though if

2076
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:58,159
if if this is another country doing this

2077
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:01,280
um i would you know i was just i was

2078
01:16:05,189 --> 01:16:03,280
watching yesterday actually

2079
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,199
a documentary on or a series of

2080
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,520
documentaries i guess in world war ii

2081
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:09,840
and they got up to the point where they

2082
01:16:14,630 --> 01:16:11,280
were talking about the

2083
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:14,640
the v1 and v2 uh rockets

2084
01:16:19,590 --> 01:16:17,760
and just thinking about

2085
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:19,600
how big of a you know at the beginning

2086
01:16:26,550 --> 01:16:25,350
people were going into people were going

2087
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:26,560
into battle still

2088
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,640
on on horses on horseback

2089
01:16:35,910 --> 01:16:32,640
and by the end of it we were having tank

2090
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:35,920
you know tank only battles

2091
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:39,120
technology has changed a tremendous

2092
01:16:45,750 --> 01:16:40,719
amount

2093
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:48,950
to think that a chat like this even

2094
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:52,480
talking via video in real time

2095
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:01,030
when i was a teenager you know that to

2096
01:17:05,590 --> 01:17:04,159
in the year 2000 the year 2010 would

2097
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:05,600
have been

2098
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:08,800
nigh unthinkable yeah you know

2099
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:09,679
it would have been something that we

2100
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,760
would have like consider in 2010 i think

2101
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:12,960
we would have been like yeah okay that's

2102
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:14,320
probably on the horizon

2103
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:17,600
but when i was a kid you know i like

2104
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,080
the first computer we owned was a was an

2105
01:17:25,510 --> 01:17:22,480
ibm pc junior

2106
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:25,520
use dos you know what i mean like our

2107
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:28,239
technology has progressed

2108
01:17:32,470 --> 01:17:30,239
a huge amount it probably is far

2109
01:17:33,510 --> 01:17:32,480
outpaced our ability as a species to

2110
01:17:36,550 --> 01:17:33,520
handle it

2111
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:36,560
really and so

2112
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:39,760
to think that another country

2113
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:42,880
who maybe was focusing more on um

2114
01:17:49,510 --> 01:17:46,960
surveillance or stealth or um

2115
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:49,520
drone building or whatever couldn't have

2116
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,320
gotten

2117
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,040
a decade or two ahead of us i don't

2118
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:55,360
think that's that ridiculous to think

2119
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:59,040
um and that's the other part of it too

2120
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,640
you know the other answer to one's

2121
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:03,120
question from before

2122
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:05,679
what happens to the inertia or whatever

2123
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:07,600
what if there's no organisms inside the

2124
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:10,880
inside the object yeah exactly what if

2125
01:18:14,630 --> 01:18:12,080
it's just a robot

2126
01:18:15,750 --> 01:18:14,640
what if what if the tic tac is just a

2127
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:15,760
drone

2128
01:18:18,790 --> 01:18:17,840
then the we're no longer talking about

2129
01:18:21,270 --> 01:18:18,800
an organic

2130
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:21,280
you know being being affected by inertia

2131
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:22,640
we're talking about

2132
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,719
the machine you know in the machine it's

2133
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,000
common sense man

2134
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:28,320
yeah absolutely that's how we do it we

2135
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:29,040
don't send

2136
01:18:34,149 --> 01:18:32,320
men to the moon first we send out

2137
01:18:35,430 --> 01:18:34,159
you know probes and what not to check it

2138
01:18:37,590 --> 01:18:35,440
out so that makes

2139
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,600
total sense we let our billionaires send

2140
01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:39,360
people to other planes

2141
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:42,480
yeah exactly or our monkeys yeah right

2142
01:18:46,390 --> 01:18:43,120
yeah

2143
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,400
so you know it's uh it's not

2144
01:18:49,669 --> 01:18:48,239
it's so you know the idea that this

2145
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:49,679
could be from another country i don't

2146
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:50,719
think is really

2147
01:18:54,950 --> 01:18:53,199
it's not out of the it's not out of the

2148
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:54,960
realm of possibility

2149
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:57,520
yeah it isn't and um you know the

2150
01:19:01,430 --> 01:18:59,520
concern with that being

2151
01:19:03,270 --> 01:19:01,440
when you have people like christopher

2152
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:03,280
mellon or luis elizondo or

2153
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:05,920
anyone for that matter saying you know

2154
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,640
could it be russia or china possibly we

2155
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:09,920
don't think it is

2156
01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,400
um that's troublesome i talked to micah

2157
01:19:17,510 --> 01:19:14,000
hanks about this recently

2158
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,520
if it is russia or china then

2159
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:20,480
those are acts of war coming into a

2160
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:21,760
training space

2161
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:24,159
for the navy during a training exercise

2162
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:25,120
like dude come on

2163
01:19:29,910 --> 01:19:26,719
how much more of an act of war do you

2164
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:29,920
need so if it is russia or china

2165
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:33,040
shouldn't we be seeing you know the

2166
01:19:37,590 --> 01:19:36,080
the uh top gun scenarios coming out and

2167
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:37,600
maverick shooting those things out of

2168
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,480
the sky

2169
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:39,920
and we're not we're seeing them

2170
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:41,760
disappear out of the atmosphere

2171
01:19:46,310 --> 01:19:44,480
uh supposedly that's the other part of

2172
01:19:47,590 --> 01:19:46,320
it that i think is so

2173
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:47,600
the other part that i think is so

2174
01:19:57,510 --> 01:19:56,149
we so i guess two thoughts on that right

2175
01:20:00,390 --> 01:19:57,520
the first one would be

2176
01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:00,400
you're absolutely right if this is a if

2177
01:20:03,990 --> 01:20:02,840
this is a serious and national security

2178
01:20:08,310 --> 01:20:04,000
concern

2179
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:08,320
as well

2180
01:20:15,669 --> 01:20:15,270
our world is so different and so much

2181
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:15,679
more

2182
01:20:24,629 --> 01:20:20,639
diplomatically oriented than we were

2183
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:26,790
like we you know we have evidence of

2184
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,760
like atrocities being committed

2185
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:31,600
in north korea you know let's take an

2186
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:33,040
example of a country that we don't even

2187
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:34,400
have trading

2188
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:37,360
a real diplomacy with right like we know

2189
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:39,040
that the north korea

2190
01:20:42,070 --> 01:20:41,440
is a is a terrible country where a

2191
01:20:43,430 --> 01:20:42,080
dictator

2192
01:20:45,510 --> 01:20:43,440
reigns supreme and is doing these

2193
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:45,520
terrible things and everything else

2194
01:20:52,629 --> 01:20:49,760
and yet our military and our leaders

2195
01:20:55,110 --> 01:20:52,639
can't act on that because of all these

2196
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:55,120
other socio-political

2197
01:20:58,830 --> 01:20:57,440
uh concerns and things that we have to

2198
01:21:01,590 --> 01:20:58,840
consider you know these other

2199
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:01,600
considerations

2200
01:21:07,430 --> 01:21:05,440
so the idea that we wouldn't

2201
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,440
you know to me then the argument that we

2202
01:21:12,629 --> 01:21:08,960
if we saw something like this in the sky

2203
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,629
i don't know that kind of makes logical

2204
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:16,320
sense to me

2205
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,920
but at the same time it is it is

2206
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:20,400
frustrating because you'd think

2207
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:21,440
again if we don't know what they are

2208
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:24,239
we'd want to find out

2209
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,040
yeah exactly you know and we're like you

2210
01:21:31,990 --> 01:21:29,280
said we're seeing that reflected even

2211
01:21:34,229 --> 01:21:32,000
right now in israel and everything um

2212
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,239
there are certain actions you can take

2213
01:21:37,430 --> 01:21:36,159
and some you can't due to like you said

2214
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:37,440
so many socio

2215
01:21:42,629 --> 01:21:40,320
political issues and whatnot so yeah

2216
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:42,639
even if it was chinese or russian

2217
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:45,120
would we immediately say okay let's go

2218
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:47,040
to war let's do this like this is the

2219
01:21:50,709 --> 01:21:48,000
reason

2220
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,719
or a lot of people think right now that

2221
01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:52,400
all the mainstream coverage having to do

2222
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:53,760
with the military and

2223
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:56,320
the potential threat these objects could

2224
01:21:59,910 --> 01:21:56,800
cause

2225
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,920
is this leading up to something you know

2226
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:02,000
are we trying to boost the military

2227
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,000
funding yet again with all these

2228
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:06,080
possible threats in our skies

2229
01:22:09,110 --> 01:22:08,239
and our national security being

2230
01:22:10,870 --> 01:22:09,120
threatened

2231
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:10,880
i mean me you know maybe the thing is

2232
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:18,390
you know i don't think we really need

2233
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,600
ufos to

2234
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:22,000
uh make the case right now that say

2235
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:23,040
russia

2236
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:26,239
is an adversarial bad actor who doesn't

2237
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:28,320
want what's best for the united states

2238
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,920
right like that's the other part of this

2239
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:31,840
too that i think is so funny is people

2240
01:22:35,910 --> 01:22:34,320
you know people on twitter or wherever

2241
01:22:39,350 --> 01:22:35,920
talking about ufos

2242
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:39,360
will often act like this is the only

2243
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:42,080
thing going on in the world yeah and

2244
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:44,239
it's it's not it is a very small part of

2245
01:22:47,030 --> 01:22:45,199
things

2246
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,040
that overall i think you know even like

2247
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,800
say marco rubio marco rubio's

2248
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:51,040
involvement

2249
01:22:54,070 --> 01:22:53,360
you know from my kind of cynical

2250
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:54,080
viewpoint

2251
01:23:04,870 --> 01:23:01,270
story to get him out of the news right

2252
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,880
so you know i think so the other thought

2253
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:06,320
the other thought i guess i had based on

2254
01:23:11,860 --> 01:23:09,120
what you were saying was

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01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:11,870
um so imagine

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01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:13,600
[Music]

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01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:17,280
imagine pre-world war ii the v2 rocket

2258
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:20,719
is out there

2259
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:25,840
who reports on the v2 rocket being real

2260
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:29,440
is the same person who reported

2261
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:33,199
on um i don't know a year before had

2262
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:36,400
done a report on fairies in wyoming

2263
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:38,320
right like fairy folk in gnomes in

2264
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:44,390
claiming that they were traveling around

2265
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:46,000
in ships and whatever

2266
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:47,760
yeah and then these rockets come out

2267
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,280
they're like actually no it's a military

2268
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:51,360
thing

2269
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,960
the the problem again with the message

2270
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,639
the problem is not necessarily the

2271
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:59,040
message

2272
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,840
it becomes the messenger in their

2273
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,719
history

2274
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,320
and it's something that i don't think

2275
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,239
people in the ufo space have really

2276
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:08,159
grappled or ufo fans i guess haven't

2277
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:09,840
really grappled with

2278
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,719
you know i remember when the

2279
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:16,320
when this first you know the first

2280
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:18,000
report about this the task force or

2281
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:19,120
whatever came out

2282
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,480
and everyone was you know people were

2283
01:24:24,870 --> 01:24:22,400
like on you know

2284
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:24,880
on twitter you know all excited and

2285
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:26,080
everything else

2286
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:27,760
and you had some of the old you know

2287
01:24:31,430 --> 01:24:29,760
older ufo people who'd been involved in

2288
01:24:33,270 --> 01:24:31,440
this before and seen disclosure come and

2289
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:33,280
gone at 100 times or whatever

2290
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,400
and they were all saying you know hey

2291
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,480
this has happened before and what

2292
01:24:41,750 --> 01:24:38,719
happened last time was

2293
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:41,760
you know linda molten howe's documentary

2294
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,760
on cattle mutilations got some normal

2295
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:45,360
media attention

2296
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:48,000
and then people started looking into the

2297
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,520
backgrounds of the players and the

2298
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:50,800
actual story and everything else and it

2299
01:24:56,229 --> 01:24:52,400
all fell apart

2300
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:56,239
right um they don't seem to realize that

2301
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:58,960
like the

2302
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:01,520
this is a if it is an important story if

2303
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,400
it is a real

2304
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:04,320
national security threat if it's a real

2305
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:05,679
national security issue that they're

2306
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:08,000
working on

2307
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:09,520
why publish a book like hunt for the

2308
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:11,520
skinwalker

2309
01:25:16,950 --> 01:25:14,960
why do a bob lazar documentary like

2310
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,960
like is it is it serious or is it not

2311
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:18,000
serious

2312
01:25:21,189 --> 01:25:20,480
yeah it's one or the other and so you

2313
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,199
can't

2314
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:22,800
have it be you know it's just

2315
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:24,719
entertainment so you know or just put

2316
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,920
you know that that was the thing with

2317
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:27,280
ttsa that always really

2318
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:30,480
kind of frustrated me was on the one

2319
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:31,600
hand you had them coming out

2320
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:34,080
saying no this is really serious stuff

2321
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:35,360
these are national security issues

2322
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:36,080
everything else

2323
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,520
and then you'd ask them well why are you

2324
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:39,120
publishing a bob lazar dot you know

2325
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,239
biography

2326
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:42,560
and they say well that's our media arm

2327
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:43,280
yeah

2328
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,480
you know what like that's

2329
01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:48,719
that's a really good point yeah you know

2330
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,360
the the um

2331
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:53,520
i don't know if there's a reason that

2332
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:54,480
there's you know north

2333
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,320
there's a reason northrop grumman

2334
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:58,480
doesn't have a media arm

2335
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:01,600
that publishes stories on

2336
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,040
you know uh flying rockets or whatever

2337
01:26:09,830 --> 01:26:07,520
um yeah you know there's a reason that

2338
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,840
raytheon doesn't have a superhero as

2339
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,199
their logo

2340
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,120
who's got comic books and movies and you

2341
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:14,800
know because it's serious

2342
01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,480
it's a serious thing people die um

2343
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:21,199
and you know so it just it's so

2344
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:23,199
frustrating to

2345
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:24,800
you know it it's the same thing with

2346
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:26,880
some of the figures too where you just

2347
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:28,239
you have to say to yourself you have to

2348
01:26:32,790 --> 01:26:30,719
wonder again

2349
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:32,800
you know like greer greer recently

2350
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:34,320
pushes out this thing saying that

2351
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,360
elizondo is

2352
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,520
you know uh what did he say on his

2353
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:38,800
youtube thing elizondo is a

2354
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:45,510
false flag alien invasion you know

2355
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:46,480
pending

2356
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:50,800
yeah like okay well then if it's serious

2357
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,840
at least greer has greer i think at

2358
01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:55,440
least has taken himself too seriously

2359
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,310
but you know again it's this sort of

2360
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:01,840
thing of you know is it

2361
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:04,960
is it serious or not it has to be

2362
01:27:09,030 --> 01:27:07,040
um it has to be one or the other i think

2363
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,040
for a lot of people

2364
01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:10,800
the argument of you know they're just

2365
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:13,120
doing that because it's just good tv

2366
01:27:16,390 --> 01:27:14,800
or because it's just media exposure

2367
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,400
whatever

2368
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,520
media exposure is not the kind of

2369
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,920
currency of the realm that people seem

2370
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:23,840
to think it is for

2371
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:26,880
national security issues this is very

2372
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:28,080
strange

2373
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:29,600
you know there's a reason there's a

2374
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:31,360
reason spies don't go on the history

2375
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:33,040
channel

2376
01:27:37,110 --> 01:27:35,840
you know that doesn't happen it's a

2377
01:27:39,990 --> 01:27:37,120
little contradictory

2378
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:40,000
such a good point man um all right well

2379
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,040
let's move to

2380
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:43,360
i guess let's move back to skyhub for

2381
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:44,159
just a moment

2382
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:47,280
our last skyhub question of the day

2383
01:27:52,390 --> 01:27:50,480
uh david on twitter asks um let's see

2384
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:52,400
here what skills or knowledge

2385
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:55,840
are you in most need of to help move

2386
01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:59,600
skyhub forward really good question

2387
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:02,880
so we currently would love

2388
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:06,080
uh developers with skills in golang

2389
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:09,840
in python in c um in java

2390
01:28:13,590 --> 01:28:12,639
any of the kind of you know any of the

2391
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:13,600
languages that

2392
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:16,639
that we write the code in currently

2393
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:19,360
um it would also be really great or

2394
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:22,639
really useful to have people involved

2395
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,719
to help us kind of take the machine

2396
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:25,920
learning

2397
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:30,239
and um user interface side of things to

2398
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:31,920
the next level so

2399
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,159
uh people with experience and database

2400
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:35,840
management are building

2401
01:28:41,270 --> 01:28:38,960
would also be very very welcome um

2402
01:28:42,310 --> 01:28:41,280
and also you know just people interested

2403
01:28:45,910 --> 01:28:42,320
and

2404
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:45,920
ready to be actively engaged in this um

2405
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,600
you know it's a it's a this is a project

2406
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,440
where people are working for free we're

2407
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:53,440
spending our free time to build this

2408
01:29:00,390 --> 01:28:57,280
because it's it's a labor of love

2409
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,400
that isn't everybody's

2410
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:02,480
cup of tea you know so but if you think

2411
01:29:04,709 --> 01:29:03,360
that it's something that you'd like to

2412
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,719
be involved in and it sounds

2413
01:29:07,830 --> 01:29:06,080
something like something that you think

2414
01:29:09,189 --> 01:29:07,840
would be um

2415
01:29:11,669 --> 01:29:09,199
a good way to spend a part of your

2416
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:11,679
weekends please reach out to us you know

2417
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:12,239
team

2418
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:14,800
skyhub.org is the email so shoot us an

2419
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,960
email we'd love to have you

2420
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:18,800
cool man and again i think it's

2421
01:29:22,310 --> 01:29:20,080
important to stress

2422
01:29:23,430 --> 01:29:22,320
that all of you at skyhub are dedicating

2423
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:23,440
your time

2424
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,639
your insight uh even your own money to

2425
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:29,040
making this happen and i know you guys

2426
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:30,320
have a patreon

2427
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:31,760
as well and a couple people were

2428
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,800
wondering um what is the patreon for

2429
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,719
how can they support you guys and and

2430
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:38,639
where does the money go for the patreon

2431
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:39,360
campaign

2432
01:29:44,149 --> 01:29:41,920
yeah it's a really good question so all

2433
01:29:47,430 --> 01:29:44,159
of the patreon money goes towards

2434
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:47,440
uh development costs so we actually

2435
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:52,480
um we just put in a order for um some

2436
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:54,400
skyhub enclosures

2437
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:56,320
so what those are are they are kind of a

2438
01:30:01,030 --> 01:29:58,159
thermoformed 3d printer

2439
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,040
not 3d printed thermoformed cases where

2440
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:03,360
people can build and put their sky hubs

2441
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:05,440
and have it in an official enclosure

2442
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:06,400
right

2443
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:09,360
um a big chunk of the money goes towards

2444
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:09,920
paying

2445
01:30:18,149 --> 01:30:15,360
some place to put the data

2446
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:18,159
yeah man it's not cheap i know no that

2447
01:30:21,910 --> 01:30:19,120
the website

2448
01:30:23,030 --> 01:30:21,920
um all of those other kinds of aspects

2449
01:30:26,149 --> 01:30:23,040
and things

2450
01:30:29,110 --> 01:30:26,159
um and then ultimately the goal

2451
01:30:29,750 --> 01:30:29,120
uh ultimately the goal would be to have

2452
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:29,760
uh

2453
01:30:34,229 --> 01:30:32,719
the ability to get professionals working

2454
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:34,239
on sky hub

2455
01:30:39,189 --> 01:30:37,120
um part-time right so paying people you

2456
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,199
know for three hours four hours of

2457
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:41,280
specially programming work or whatever

2458
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:44,000
where our team can't um you know where

2459
01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:45,199
our team can't

2460
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:47,600
what's the word where our team maybe

2461
01:30:49,910 --> 01:30:48,719
doesn't have the expertise or the

2462
01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:49,920
ability to handle

2463
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:52,320
um a specific aspect or a specific thing

2464
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,360
like that so

2465
01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:56,080
yeah you know um it's a great question

2466
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:58,320
though and another thing that we are

2467
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:01,679
um what's the word another thing where

2468
01:31:06,229 --> 01:31:03,040
we are

2469
01:31:08,070 --> 01:31:06,239
currently figuring out you know this is

2470
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:08,080
for a lot of us the first time that we

2471
01:31:10,870 --> 01:31:09,520
have

2472
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:10,880
for some of us it's not the first time

2473
01:31:13,990 --> 01:31:12,320
that they've worked on kind of a charity

2474
01:31:15,510 --> 01:31:14,000
or something like this

2475
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:15,520
for me it really is the first time that

2476
01:31:18,070 --> 01:31:16,960
i've kind of worked at this high level

2477
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:18,080
of a charity

2478
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:19,920
um or a kind of an organization not

2479
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:22,560
charity a non-for-profit kind of

2480
01:31:25,590 --> 01:31:24,560
endeavor or project for citizen science

2481
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:25,600
project

2482
01:31:32,390 --> 01:31:29,040
um being being um

2483
01:31:34,709 --> 01:31:32,400
being transparent with the money

2484
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:34,719
is also an extremely important aspect of

2485
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:36,080
that

2486
01:31:41,990 --> 01:31:39,280
are

2487
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:42,000
um you know if we had all the time in

2488
01:31:44,629 --> 01:31:43,199
the world

2489
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:44,639
um all of this stuff would be done

2490
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:46,960
already we don't it is

2491
01:31:52,709 --> 01:31:50,800
a public project but um

2492
01:31:53,830 --> 01:31:52,719
that's definitely something else that we

2493
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:53,840
we hope the public

2494
01:31:59,430 --> 01:31:57,199
will keep us accountable on and keep us

2495
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:59,440
moving forward with right but but right

2496
01:32:03,750 --> 01:32:01,040
now though like i said

2497
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:03,760
um you know the money is going towards

2498
01:32:07,830 --> 01:32:04,719
so the building

2499
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:07,840
and developing of the uh the enclosures

2500
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:11,520
for uh you know environmental conditions

2501
01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:15,040
more extreme let's say than my garden

2502
01:32:20,790 --> 01:32:18,639
um the development of

2503
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:20,800
uh you know or the kind of cloud

2504
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:22,239
computing costs and things like that

2505
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:23,280
that we have

2506
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:26,960
and the uh the storage costs awesome

2507
01:32:30,629 --> 01:32:28,400
yeah and again i think that's really

2508
01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:30,639
important to sort of demystify

2509
01:32:36,070 --> 01:32:33,920
the whole um contribution thing you know

2510
01:32:37,750 --> 01:32:36,080
a lot of people want to know well

2511
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:37,760
you're not using this money to go on a

2512
01:32:41,430 --> 01:32:39,600
vacation are you chris you know

2513
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:41,440
so it's good to know what is actually

2514
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:43,760
being done and i highly suggest everyone

2515
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,480
check out

2516
01:32:48,550 --> 01:32:46,239
your patreon campaign over there it's

2517
01:32:49,350 --> 01:32:48,560
very very important for something like

2518
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:49,360
this

2519
01:32:52,070 --> 01:32:50,639
yeah definitely check it out i mean

2520
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:52,080
that's the other thing too we've toyed

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01:32:55,510 --> 01:32:53,440
with like

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01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:55,520
we've toyed with idiot in the past of

2523
01:33:00,070 --> 01:32:57,760
like trying other

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01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:00,080
the good the good news right now is that

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01:33:05,590 --> 01:33:01,840
our

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01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:05,600
now

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01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:09,040
doesn't

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01:33:12,709 --> 01:33:11,520
uh overcome the amount of money we have

2529
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:12,719
every month coming in

2530
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,000
which is great which is perfect it's

2531
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:16,000
exactly where you want to be but

2532
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:18,719
as more of these units come online as we

2533
01:33:22,709 --> 01:33:20,320
want to do bigger things or bigger

2534
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:22,719
projects with this or or stuff like that

2535
01:33:28,229 --> 01:33:23,600
you know

2536
01:33:29,750 --> 01:33:28,239
that's what the patreon really is for to

2537
01:33:30,790 --> 01:33:29,760
kind of build that base up

2538
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:30,800
and make sure that we're ready to

2539
01:33:34,629 --> 01:33:32,159
operate in the in the coming years so

2540
01:33:37,350 --> 01:33:34,639
that there is a skyhub in ten years

2541
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:37,360
exactly man come out swinging i gotcha

2542
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:38,480
um well

2543
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:40,719
moving to the podcast my man before we

2544
01:33:44,709 --> 01:33:41,760
go here

2545
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:44,719
tell us about the mad scientist podcast

2546
01:33:47,430 --> 01:33:45,199
maybe

2547
01:33:49,110 --> 01:33:47,440
some of your favorite episodes you guys

2548
01:33:50,070 --> 01:33:49,120
have recently done i know you did like a

2549
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,080
huge

2550
01:33:53,669 --> 01:33:52,639
multi-part series on time travel which

2551
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:53,679
is so cool

2552
01:33:57,510 --> 01:33:56,560
a topic everyone can relate to and find

2553
01:33:59,590 --> 01:33:57,520
interesting

2554
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:59,600
um but you guys break it down which i

2555
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,639
love so yeah

2556
01:34:03,990 --> 01:34:02,800
what do you got going on over at the mad

2557
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:04,000
scientist podcast

2558
01:34:08,790 --> 01:34:07,280
as of late and in the future yeah so the

2559
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:08,800
so the show that we do is the mad

2560
01:34:11,669 --> 01:34:10,800
scientist podcast it's me and my co-host

2561
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:11,679
marie

2562
01:34:16,070 --> 01:34:15,280
um and so our show really looks at kind

2563
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:16,080
of the history

2564
01:34:22,229 --> 01:34:20,400
philosophy and hard science behind

2565
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:22,239
topics that usually come up in science

2566
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:25,840
fiction or on you know

2567
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:28,239
i don't know just just science fiction

2568
01:34:31,030 --> 01:34:29,760
kind of topics and things like that but

2569
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:31,040
also looking at

2570
01:34:34,709 --> 01:34:33,600
parts of the science world or science

2571
01:34:36,550 --> 01:34:34,719
history

2572
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:36,560
that maybe you weren't taught in school

2573
01:34:42,390 --> 01:34:38,000
but are still really interesting

2574
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:42,400
so um my favorite series probably are

2575
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:44,639
we did one on the history of surgery

2576
01:34:49,430 --> 01:34:46,000
which was fascinating

2577
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,440
and terrifying and just really really

2578
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:51,280
fun to research for

2579
01:34:54,790 --> 01:34:53,840
we did one uh we did one on robert

2580
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:54,800
bigelow

2581
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:57,119
and kind of the beginnings and early

2582
01:35:01,590 --> 01:34:58,400
early time period

2583
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:01,600
of uh the skinwalker ranch saga and how

2584
01:35:05,990 --> 01:35:03,600
it played into the stars academy and how

2585
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,000
it really got us to today

2586
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,400
and we did a series recently like ryan

2587
01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:10,000
said on time travel

2588
01:35:13,350 --> 01:35:11,520
which was a lot of fun and we kind of go

2589
01:35:15,030 --> 01:35:13,360
into you know

2590
01:35:17,510 --> 01:35:15,040
what is time is kind of a physical

2591
01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:17,520
concept what does it mean mathematically

2592
01:35:23,109 --> 01:35:20,800
how do we use it in our mathematics um

2593
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:23,119
all of those kind of big questions

2594
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:25,280
ultimately getting to okay well

2595
01:35:28,229 --> 01:35:27,040
you know what does this mean for time

2596
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:28,239
travel and what does it mean for our

2597
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:30,159
ability to go back or forward in time

2598
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:32,320
so it's been a lot of fun check it out

2599
01:35:37,590 --> 01:35:34,480
we're available on spotify

2600
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:37,600
apple podcast google play on uh

2601
01:35:41,590 --> 01:35:40,080
we're available now on pandora too which

2602
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:41,600
uh you know we're just available

2603
01:35:44,870 --> 01:35:42,080
everywhere

2604
01:35:46,550 --> 01:35:44,880
so go find us and take a listen yup

2605
01:35:47,350 --> 01:35:46,560
absolutely anywhere you find somewhere

2606
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:47,360
in the skies

2607
01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:50,239
mad scientist podcast is there as well

2608
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:50,800
um

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01:35:55,830 --> 01:35:53,600
well you know closing question as always

2610
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:55,840
my man you know this role by now

2611
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:57,520
where can we find everything you're up

2612
01:36:02,070 --> 01:35:59,520
to and where can we find

2613
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,080
skyhub to learn more yeah so you can

2614
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:04,560
find skyhub at skyhub.org

2615
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:05,920
that's where you'll find the link to our

2616
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:08,320
discord server uh so you can come in and

2617
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:09,360
ask us questions

2618
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:11,760
that's where you'll find our our get

2619
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:13,040
repository so

2620
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,480
where you can actually go and download

2621
01:36:17,350 --> 01:36:16,159
the code and see the inner workings and

2622
01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:17,360
everything else

2623
01:36:21,270 --> 01:36:20,239
um you can find us on twitter so at

2624
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:21,280
skyhub 10

2625
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:24,400
is the main skyhub page but there's also

2626
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:25,679
obviously you can you can follow me at

2627
01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:28,080
mad scientist pod um

2628
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:30,080
you know follow other folks from the

2629
01:36:33,510 --> 01:36:31,600
team on twitter as well

2630
01:36:35,109 --> 01:36:33,520
our twitter handles are up under the the

2631
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,119
team kind of heading

2632
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,320
on the skyhub website um and

2633
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,480
you know our next kind of big appearance

2634
01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:42,159
is going to be at the su conference here

2635
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:43,119
coming up

2636
01:36:47,189 --> 01:36:45,040
um we have a video presentation on kind

2637
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:47,199
of what skyhub is how it's evolved

2638
01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:48,880
the software and the hardware and all

2639
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,719
those sorts of things that that'll be

2640
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:52,320
going up on youtube after the conference

2641
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:53,840
so people can go see it

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01:36:58,310 --> 01:36:56,480
um and and yeah that's that's really the

2643
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:58,320
best place for people to find us so

2644
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,920
i'm on twitter all the time probably too

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01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:01,760
much so you can always find me on

2646
01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:02,480
twitter

2647
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:06,880
yelling about something so we all

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01:37:11,109 --> 01:37:08,960
i'm glad you brought up scu i know you

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01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:11,119
guys are working with them and also

2650
01:37:15,109 --> 01:37:13,119
with the uap expedition group who's

2651
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,119
going out to the catalina islands

2652
01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:16,960
to monitor the activity out there where

2653
01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:18,159
the tic tac event

2654
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:20,400
took place so that's really exciting i

2655
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:22,320
highly suggest the youtube channel

2656
01:37:26,470 --> 01:37:24,320
where you can watch some of the videos

2657
01:37:28,470 --> 01:37:26,480
that skyhub devices have captured

2658
01:37:29,830 --> 01:37:28,480
which is really cool the comments are

2659
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:29,840
great hearing everyone

2660
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:31,679
say what they think it is and and

2661
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,119
everything in between

2662
01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:35,119
so no man you guys got a good thing

2663
01:37:39,830 --> 01:37:36,400
going on i am

2664
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:39,840
so happy to like be in this generation

2665
01:37:43,270 --> 01:37:42,560
that is taking uap seriously is trying

2666
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:43,280
to put more

2667
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:46,000
science into all of this and trying to

2668
01:37:49,830 --> 01:37:47,440
understand these phenomena

2669
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:49,840
that continue to mystify us brother so

2670
01:37:51,990 --> 01:37:51,199
thank you for coming on summer in the

2671
01:37:54,149 --> 01:37:52,000
skies

2672
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:54,159
and uh yeah thank you for being a part

2673
01:37:56,950 --> 01:37:56,400
of sky hub i think this is the future of

2674
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:56,960
uap

2675
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:59,840
studies bar none as always man thanks

2676
01:38:03,669 --> 01:38:02,080
for having us always a pleasure and uh

2677
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:03,679
yeah we can't wait to uh can't wait to

2678
01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:05,119
have some really good videos here that

2679
01:38:16,830 --> 01:38:07,199
we can uh keep sharing with you so

2680
01:38:28,830 --> 01:38:16,840
we'll talk soon awesome thank you

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01:38:51,560 --> 01:38:28,840
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